Return to David's theory of evolution PARTS ONE & TWO (Evolution)

by David Turell , Wednesday, May 10, 2023, 16:52 (561 days ago) @ dhw

DAVID: I have no double standard for your God-theories. I find them totally unacceptable as highly humanized. It is not a sleight of hands on my part to start with the OT as a basis for thought and then modify as I see fit from other studies. Your human God is your preferential approach.

dhw: The double standard applies to your rejection of my theories because most religions would reject them, and you then tell us that you reject the Bible, and I have assumed that you also reject the Koran – books which provide the foundations of three major religions - and have your own brand of theism! As for my “highly humanized” form of God, you agree that he probably has thought patterns and emotions like ours, and enjoys creating and is interested in his creations. Of course he’s not human, but that does not invalidate the theory that the creator might endow his creations with thought patterns and emotions like his own. Nor does it mean that your messy, cumbersome, inefficient God is less human and more godlike than one who does precisely what he wants to do. (NB Of course all these discussions presuppose the existence of God, which itself is a moot question!)

Since the presence or not of God depends on who is pontificating, your questioning approach is certainly not mine. My conclusions are an amalgam of my ideas from researching many authorities. With freedom by not being bound by specific theistic thoughts or theories. Adler defines a very specific God entity. That has become my God. I have no idea what guides your prefrences.

DAVID: As for your skewed view of God's evolution, we must accept that God chose a cumbersome prolonged process for His own reasons.

dhw: why “must” we accept YOUR view of God as a cumbersome designer, when it is perfectly possible to find logical explanations for his design of ALL species?

DAVID: Because the history is one of a cumbersome evolution.

dhw: The history of evolution is one of an ever changing variety of life forms. Why do you assume that your God did not want to create an ever changing variety of life forms?

God created exactly what He wished created. What is your point exactly?

DAVID: I do not see God as an inefficient blunderer.

dhw: You have just repeated: “we must accept that God chose a cumbersome prolonged process for his own reasons”, and you have repeatedly used the words “messy” and “inefficient”.

DAVID: An honest appraisal. I accept God warts and all.

dhw: You have just said you do not see God as an inefficient blunderer, and now you praise your own honesty in accepting that he is an inefficient blunderer.

It is your interpretation that God is an inefficient blunderer. God easily controls a messy evolutionary system.

dhw: Thank you for confirming that Adler’s book is totally irrelevant to your theories about a messy, cumbersome and inefficient God, so will you please stop bringing him into a discussion about your theory that God is a messy, cumbersome and inefficient designer.

Adler gives me a specific description of who God is. How God operates is another different issue.

DAVID: Our difference is enormous. I accept God as I see Him.

dhw: Precisely. You accept a God whom you see as being messy, cumbersome and inefficient, and propose that this makes him a brilliant designer but you can’t explain why.

I have carefully explained God chose a messy system and makes it work beautifully.

DAVID: My approach to God is entirely comprehensible to me, if not to you. Stop demanding I give you God's reasoning. I can't!!!

dhw: No you can’t. And you can’t offer me one single reason of your own to explain why your all-knowing, all-powerful, all-purposeful God would deliberately design 99 out of 100 species that are irrelevant to what you see as his one and only purpose: to design us and our food. How can this theory be comprehensible to you if you can’t think of a single logical reason to support it?

This is logical: GOD CHOSE TO EVOLVE US FOR hIS OWN REASONS.