Return to David's theory of evolution (Evolution)

by David Turell , Saturday, February 25, 2023, 19:09 (635 days ago) @ dhw

DAVID: You are more absurd. Raad and understand my current dialog and quit dwelling in past.

dhw: Your current dialogue is simply an attempt to edit out all the derogatory implications of the theory you are still trying to defend!

DAVID: It described a messy system He was using.

dhw: It describes a messy system you believe he invented.

Exactly. I've pointed it out to follow up on your original observation that evolution seems odd from a God who should be able to do direct a creation of living forms. After all He stated life at the bacterial level

DAVID: His designs were not mistakes but a failure of organisms to adapt to survive as conditions changed.

dhw: According to you, they failed to adapt because of faults in his design!

No, they reached the limits of their designed ability to adapt.

> DAVID: At this point a new species must be designed. He succeeded because He could design around problems the system He chose presented.

dhw: Once more: the system he INVENTED presented problems: according to you, he did not control the environmental conditions which 99% of his designs were unable to survive because of his faulty design, which could not allow for adaptation. So you have him designing new species to cope with the new conditions. But then 99% of those also failed to survive – more mistakes and failed experiments!

Not failures but reaching their designed limit to adapt. Then new species appear, more complex forms. Doesn't evolution seem to work toward more complexity? Note today's entry on magnetic field awareness showing how the development of biochemical complexity must precede new animal forms which can use it for new activities like migration.

DAVID: That He could use this system to reach the present with humans in charge, shows just how powerful and competent He is.

dhw: He was so powerful and competent that he was able to make one mistake/failed experiment after another, by a ratio of 99 to 1 even though, according to you, he was perfectly capable of designing species without precursors, and so he never even needed to design any of his failures anyway. And to make it even worse, he KNEW he was going to make mistakes, but still went ahead. Which parts of this theory are you now trying to disown in your “current dialogue”?

Your analysis is great and does my job. God chose this messy system to successfully produce us, the most complex organism in the universe. And for His unknown reasons. Conclusion, as we think of God as I've been taught, I must conclude this is the way to do it as God analyzed it.

Chlamydia (transferred from “More miscellany”)

DAVID: either Chlamydia invented the protective molecule or it appeared by luck. Would God have been involved? I don't know. All unknowns.

dhw: Although this is one special case, you have provided an excellent summary of all our discussions on evolutionary innovation:
Shapiro: the cells did it. Darwin: random mutations did it. Turell: God did it. Dhw: I don’t know what did it.

DAVID: Great summary.

dhw: A nice note on which to close this post!

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