Return to David's theory of evolution PARTS 1 & 2 (Evolution)

by David Turell , Thursday, July 21, 2022, 14:38 (854 days ago) @ dhw

DAVID: Don't include me in your nonsense. I fully accept what God did as logical for Him and for me. I've explained the huge bush of required ecosystems providing food for all, which explains all the forms that did not lead to humans.

dhw: If it is logical for him and for you, why can’t you give us his reasons for deliberately designing countless life forms and econiches that had no connection with his one and only reason for creating life – namely, to create us and our econiches. Yes, each ecosystem provides/provided food for all those life forms within it, and PAST ecosystems were for the PAST, not the present, and most past life forms had no role to play in current life, and your theory makes sense only to God. I’m quoting your own demolition of your theory, so please stop dodging.

You have presented your theory of my theory, which refuses to accept the simple statement that God chose to evolve us from bacteria for His own unknown reasons. I cannot know
God's mind but can attempt to interpret His results. Your discussion of ecosystems fails to recognize evolution advances stepwise from past to present as a continuum. Your constant dodge is to try to present evolution as discontinuous.

DAVID: God is not the God you think about. He does not create as a primary purpose to have things to take interest in. His following what happens as an interest is a secondary event.

dhw: Written with great authority but, as you repeat below, all your theories and mine are nothing but “guesswork”. Now please tell us what you think was his “primary” purpose in creating humans and all the life forms and econiches that had no connection with humans.

Same strange dodge. Evolution is a continuum of development.

DAVID: […] we do know He has given us brains which can think about Him and ask questions. Anything further is guesswork.
And:
He gave us brains so we could debate about Him. So we recognize Him.

dhw: EVERY theory is guesswork, including your God’s existence. So why do you think he wanted us to think about him, recognize him, and ask questions? And why do you think wanting recognition is less "human" than wanting to create something he would find interesting?

By giving us a mind, which thinks, discussing God naturally flows. There is no way of knowing if God expected that result, so we are free to think as we wish. And whether He desired it as a result is also unknown. Your questions again fit your role as God's humanizer.

DAVID: Your constant interpretation of my thoughts is so twisted and lacks so much insight into my thinking it seems impossible for me to explain it, but I have tried above.

dhw: How can you possibly explain a theory which “makes sense only to God”? Please tell me which of these “interpretations of your thoughts” are twisted: 1) God’s one and only purpose was to “evolve” (= design) sapiens plus food. 2) God individually “evolved” (= designed) countless life forms and econiches that had no connection with sapiens plus food. 3) God designed some species (Cambrian) that had no precursors (i.e. that did not evolve in stages).[…]

DAVID: I accept what God did with no need to explain it to myself or you. His reasons are His alone.

dhw: […] You accused me of a twisted interpretation of your thoughts. Please say which of the above are “twisted”.

Frankly, I'm tired of your weird approach to analyzing evolution as having disparate parts. Common descent, as your favorite view directly implies that.

DAVID: dhw has always wondered why so many types of pre-sapiens were evolved. Well, this study shows exactly that is what happened.

dhw: I am not questioning that this happened! I ask why a God whose one and only purpose was to design H. sapiens plus food proceeded to design all sort of life forms unconnected with H. sapiens plus food, and also designed all sorts of hominins and homos and then discarded them, although he was apparently perfectly capable of designing new species with no precursors (Cambrian).[/b]

DAVID: God knows what He is doing, and has His own reasons for doing it the way we see. Why not just accept it? Or do you see better ways?

dhw: For doing what? Presumably designing humans. And there you go again, assuming that was his purpose, and that was his way of achieving its purpose, and he has his own reasons for doing what you say he did and why he did it that way, and you don’t know what those reasons could be, so please stop pretending that you “fully accept what God did as logical for Him and for me.”

You have never accepted God, so you don't understand the mindset that accepts God's works without question, but retains the right to interpret.