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by dhw, Saturday, August 20, 2022, 10:53 (614 days ago) @ David Turell

dhw: The past contained some branches that led to us and our food, but it also contained countless branches that did NOT lead to us and our food.

DAVID: Opposite my contention that the entire set of ecosystems on Earth are interconnected and required for our food.

dhw: Once again, you are using the present tense (are interconnected), whereas we are talking about the entire set of ecosystems that existed before we did. Some of them did lead to us and our food supply, but the problem you keep dodging is why your God created all those extinct ecosystems and life forms that did not lead to us, although you believe his only purpose was to create us and our food supply.

DAVID: All of evolution produced a giant bush of life that is a series of interconnected ecosystems that provide food all, not just humans!!!

Precisely. The history of life is also the history of ecosystems that provided food for the organisms that lived at any particular time, and even our current ecosystems are not geared solely to the production of food for humans. And that is why it is illogical to claim that every ecosystem, extant and extinct, was specially designed by your God as part of his one and only goal, and as an “absolute requirement”, in preparation for the evolution (= design) of humans and our food, although the vast majority had no connection with us and our food. Please stop dodging!

Human migration

DAVID: I'm sure dhw will notice the effect of necessary food sources driving the migration. And then poo-poo the importance of humans and their food.

Humans are important to humans, and food is important for ALL forms of life, including humans. What I “poopoo”, as you know only too well, is the illogical theory bolded above. Please stop dodging!

DAVID: You've never understood How I view your God. I grant His very human form, but only then do your proposals make sense.

dhw: Thank you for granting his very human form and for agreeing that my proposals make sense.

DAVID: You are welcome.

dhw: That should mark the end of your campaign against my alternative theories on the grounds that they “humanize” God.

DAVID: Don't you realize my point? Your very human God allows you to create very human suppositions about how your humanlike God works His purposes. On that basis of course they are logical.

Why is it always “very” human? I keep pointing out all the possible “human” attributes you ascribe to your God (enjoyment of and interest in creating and creations, his desire for recognition and for a relationship with us, his kindness, his love, his single-mindedness in the pursuit of his goal – in direct conflict with the fact that he designed countless life forms and foods that did not lead to his goal – and so on). But when I repeat some of these, and when I offer logical explanations of evolutionary history, you turn your back on the logic because they entail “human” attributes! You even agree that we “mimic” him in certain ways, but you never respond to the argument that it is perfectly feasible for a creator to imbue his creations with some of his own attributes.

DAVID: The comment: “'we can only know His logic is like ours'”! does not make God human. Please remember God is a being like no other being.

Does anyone ever seriously propose that God, if he exists, is human? Please stop pretending that the human attributes we both ascribe to him somehow turn him into a two-legged daddy.

DAVID: The cell intelligence theory is based purely on hyperbolic descriptions of cells actions. Since DNA is a recognized code and the whole genome is seen as a multilayer of controls, the instructions/information in DNA simply run the processes in the cell.

dhw: That is your version. There are other scientists whose research has led them to the conclusion that cells are intelligent entities. Now please tell us the "known facts" that support your theories of 1) a 3.8-billion-year-old book of instructions for the whole of evolution, and 2) God having performed countless operations and held countless courses as he “dabbled” all extinct and extant evolutionary innovations and econiches, lifestyles and natural wonders for the sole purpose of designing us and our food.

DAVID: Same old trope, off subject of cell intelligence!!! Tor cell intelligence I have all the ID folks agreeing with me, led by many PH.D. doing active science research on the subject.

You dismissed the theory as “purely hyperbolic descriptions”, and I have every right to point out that there are scientists in the field who disagree with you and with your ID-ers. You also claimed that there were no known facts to support my theory. I responded by pointing out that there are no “known facts” to support your theories either.