Return to David's theory of evolution and theodicy: addendum (Evolution)

by David Turell , Saturday, December 02, 2023, 19:31 (147 days ago) @ David Turell

dhw: It is not an analysis. It is a summary of your theory of evolution.

DAVID: What is irrational is that we exist now as 0.1%, which includes us and everything else on Earth which is here for our use including food. I don't care why God did it this way. 99.9% is just an historical fact of God's work.

dhw: There is nothing irrational about the existence of ourselves and our food as the survivors of life’s past history. That is simply a known fact, not a theory, as is the disappearance of the vast majority of life forms that preceded us. The existence of God is not a fact, but as we do not have an atheist contributing to these discussions, I am challenging your theistic interpretation of life’s history, and it is NOT a fact that even if your God exists, (a) his one and only purpose was to produce us, and b) he designed every species individually. The combination of these two theories makes no sense, as it has your all-powerful, all-purposeful God individually designing and then culling 99.9 out of 100 species that had no connection with his one and only purpose. But you don’t care if it makes no sense. You simply assume that your illogical theory is the only possible truth, and you leave it to God to explain the mess you have imposed on him.

From my side it makes perfect sense. I simply view a designing God who wished to produce humans, a perfect fit with the historical result of evolution.

DAVID: I don't need God's reasoning for His use of an evolutionary system. The imperfections are really in our weak human reasoning about God's intentions and methods.

dhw: Please speak for yourself. It is your own weak human reasoning that has conjured up the messy imperfections. The evolutionary system we both acknowledge can be explained in a manner that relieves God of the messy, cumbersome, inefficient image you impose on him.

I still feel evolution was a messy way to produce us.

Bechly has produced a huge technical piece in which he is considering deciding common descent is not correct. He is like many in ID who are still in this position. They know God is needed for design but haven't reached my point that God does everything, and the process mimics what we call evolution. I feel you can't have natural processes and God working together, in which God is not also in charge of the natural side. Natural might not give Him the results He wants.

https://evolutionnews.org/2023/12/fossil-friday-the-mess-of-arachnid-phylogeny-and-why-...

Included for anyone interested in his view.