Return to David's theory of evolution PARTS ONE & TWO (Evolution)

by David Turell , Thursday, April 06, 2023, 16:45 (595 days ago) @ dhw
edited by David Turell, Thursday, April 06, 2023, 16:53

DAVID: Logic: He produced us through evolution which REQUIRES that demonstrated historically that low survival. You again are asking why evolve? I can't know!!!
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DAVID: A necessary result of living evolution, per Raup. it is a screening, culling process.

dhw: If your God exists, he invented the system of evolution! And so you have him forcing himself to design 99 out 100 species that have no connection with the purpose you impose on him, and then to “screen” or “cull” them” (= Darwin’s “natural selection”), which means kill them off by designing them with limited adaptability, and you have no idea why! My alternative theistic theories offer logical explanations for the 99 species you can’t explain, and your only objection is that they entail human-type thought patterns and emotions, although you agree that your God must have human-type thought patterns and emotions.

Same old discussion. The differences in us is each of our God's personalities. Mine is full of purpose, all-knowing, totally omniscient, and thus does everything exactly as He wishes.
Your guy is unrecognizable as a God. He HAS to experiment, allows free-for-alls to advance evolution uncontrollably, and as fun for Him to watch and enjoy, and, as you've described, He isnot sure to create as humans.

DAVID: As for goal our extraordinary brain, the most complex item in the universe makes US THAT GOAL. Exactly Adler's point.

dhw: So all the other less complex life forms, 99% of which had no connection with us and our food, were deliberately designed for no reason you can think of, as a result of which your God is to be mocked as an inefficient, cumbersome, messy designer.

NO!!! They were designed as part of an evolutionary system that is historical and, in my view, created by God. They were absolutely necessary as part of screening and culling.

dhw: As for “bad luck”, it was the bad luck of the 99 that your God created them in order to kill them off. As for God’s dependence on luck, random conditions dictated what species he could design, and which one of the 100 would survive to enable him to pursue his only goal. And so you have to change your story when it comes to the Cambrian, when all of a sudden he does control conditions, and starts all over again by designing our ancestors from scratch – thereby rendering 100 out of 100 previous species unnecessary.

DAVID: Fully explained before: the advanced biochemistry developed in the Edicaran prepared for the new forms in the Cambrian. You have acknowledged this previously. Stop shifting your replies.

dhw: All speciation entails biochemical change, and this is totally irrelevant to the fact that you have your God specially designing every life form to fit in with changes in the environment which are beyond his control, but then suddenly taking control of the environment in order to design our ancestors from scratch, i.e. without predecessors. Do you really believe he could not have created the necessary biochemical make-up of our ancestors if he hadn’t first created it in species irrelevant to his purpose (if that is what he did)? Or is it possible that earlier forms were successful experiments, as he tested different ways of creating a being that would have thought patterns and emotions like his own?

Again, a so-called God who doesn't know how to make a human!!! God chose to evolve step-by= step so the biochemistry has to be developed that way.