Return to David's theory of evolution PARTS 1 & 2 (Evolution)

by dhw, Friday, May 06, 2022, 11:37 (722 days ago) @ David Turell

Chixculub

DAVID: I have given you my approach to God in all the quotes you despise.

dhw: You have stated that your theory of evolution makes perfect sense to you, although “What I cannot explain is why God chose evolution over direct creation. Why can’t you accept that explanation? ” And “God makes sense only to Himself”.

DAVID: I can't understand why you don't realize after all these years of battle, that is just the exact way I think about God. It very similar to the way many folks (behind the scenes at the ID convention) think about God and His works. It means your thoughts about how to think about God are different than mine. Those quotes of mine are exact!!!

It is not a question of the way you think about God! Why do you keep hiding behind these vague generalisations? The issue is your theory of evolution, i.e. your belief that your God’s one and only purpose was to design H. sapiens and our food supply, and yet (a) he individually designed countless species and food bushes that did not lead to H. sapiens, and (b) in spite of his all-powerfulness and ability to design species directly without precursors, he chose to design H. sapiens – his sole purpose - in stages. Do you honestly think that all believers believe these theories of yours, in spite of the fact that you yourself cannot find any sense in them (“God makes sense only to Himself” – your comment when asked to explain your theories)?

DAVID: I simply accept God's works and try to understand them from the viewpoint God knows exactly what He wants to do at any moment on the way to his goals.

dhw: And I keep agreeing that he would have known exactly what he wanted to do, and since what he did was create a system that produced the higgledy-piggledy bush of life, most of which did not lead to humans, your combined theories do not make sense. (Why have you yet again used the plural “goals”, when you insist that his only goal was humans plus our food?)

DAVID: The bush has many goals along the way to finally humans.

This is encouraging news. Apart from the obvious fact that all life forms have to eat, please tell us some of these other goals. I wonder if they might possibly include the idea that because, as you have agreed, he enjoys creating and is interested in his creations, one of his goals might have been to create things he would be interested in watching. I wait in suspense for more details.

DAVID: Episodes like Chixculub are simply events along the way that make sense to God, and we are left with trying to reach a reasonable interpretation that may or may not satisfy all of us.

dhw: The whole history of evolution is of events along the way! Your point was that Chixculub took evolution in a totally new direction, which suggests that your God changed his mind, or was not in full control – both of which contradict your theory that his only goal right from the start was humans plus our food and he knew exactly what to do in order to produce them.

DAVID: Again, your twisted interpretation. Dinosaurs were around for a great length of time, so it must be obvious they played a major role.

A major role in what? Until now, you have insisted that all life forms and foods were preparation for and part of “THE goal of evolving [= designing] humans” plus our food. But you have agreed that there is no connection between brontosauruses and us plus our food, so why would he have designed them? You can’t explain it. So maybe they were not part of THE goal.

DAVID: When God decide to move on He did. No change of mind I assume, just a planned shift to mammals.

Why do you assume this, when you don’t even know if Chixculub was a deliberate action or an accident? Wouldn’t a “totally new direction” following an unplanned accident suggest a change of mind, and again, why bother designing the dinosaurs if all he wanted right from the start was H. sapiens?

DAVID: They [mammals] had developed as small animals for some length of time during dinosaurs and were now ready to expand into their current very important role.

Yes, they had developed during the era of the dinosaurs, and when the dinosaurs died out they became dominant. I don’t know how this proves that your God’s one and only purpose was to design H. sapiens and the dinosaurs were “part of THE goal etc.” But I’m looking forward to hearing what other goals your God may have had.

I have shifted your sudden introduction of Schroeder to the “miscellany" thread, as it no longer deals with your illogical theory of evolution.