Return to David's theory of evolution PARTS 1 & 2 (Evolution)

by David Turell , Thursday, February 10, 2022, 15:35 (1015 days ago) @ dhw

dhw: You have said over and over again that you have no idea why, if your God’s only purpose was to design humans plus food, he would have designed countless life forms that had no connection with humans plus food. Why can’t you leave it at that?

Your blindness to God's choice of His method is my issue. We both picture the other as wrong. I'll leave it at that if you will also.

dhw: Another illogical part of your theory is the claim that speciation takes place IN ANTICIPATION of changing conditions. You have, however, proceeded to give us plenty of examples that show the converse is true. Here’s another one:

Oxygen and the Cambrian: gills appeared

A new Chinese find, early gills from 520 million years ago:

QUOTES: “'When it came to arthropods, however, we just weren’t sure where these gills came from.”
“Thanks to this new fossil, Erratus sperare, we now have a much clearer idea,” he added.
“'These gills also probably went on to evolve into the wings of insects and the lungs of terrestrial arthropods like spiders so were a very important innovation.'”

DAVID: These animals had to utilize oxygen somehow. This is probably the beginning.

dhw: You’ve got it. Oxygen first, innovations in response.

The free oxygen had to come first. So God provided photosynthesis as a first evolutionary step. God anticipates His needs.

dhw: What’s more, new finds are being made all the time, and some of them fill in gaps. You expect to find one fossil per link in the chain. It’s almost a miracle that we can find any fossils at all from 520 million years ago!

Findings now fill only minor skips in specific individual lines. See Bechly entry on fossil finding reaching endpoints. (Wednesday, January 01, 2020, 18:23 & 2020-07-08, 22:45

Cambrian explosion: A new study of a late branch
DAVID: Helps explain the steps in its evolution:
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DAVID: please note lots of fossil samples are lying around waiting for further study to place them in the right order.

dhw: Yes, even those we have can yield more information about the steps, i.e. fill in the gaps.

Only tiny steps in a fossil line. You simply wish along with Darwin. Not happened.

Mass extinctions relate to volcanos

DAVID: These complex animals could not exist without lots of oxygen prepared first.

dhw: For I don’t know how long, you have been touting the theory that your God designs species in advance of changing conditions. It would be gracious if you would now agree that speciation takes place IN RESPONSE to new conditions, and not in ANTICIPATION of them. I’m not sure what you’re referring to with the “cause”. You have agreed that the purpose of the changes which result in new species is to improve their chances of survival. But perhaps you simply mean the process by which the changes take place: Darwinists say random mutations, Shapiro says intelligent cells, and you say direct design by your God. Of the three, I favour Shapiro’s theory, bearing in mind that it allows for a possible God as the designer.

DAVID: Good summary.

dhw: So let’s hear no more of this theory of yours that speciation anticipates changing conditions, as opposed to responding to them.

DAVID: It stays my full theory.

dhw: As with your theory that your God pursues his only purpose by not pursuing his only purpose, and you don’t know why but you won’t budge, here you agree that conditions must change before these new species can appear, but you stick to your theory that species appear before conditions change.

Your usual error. Not responding to new conditions, but preparing for new conditions or as in our brain handling new, never seen before uses.