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by David Turell , Saturday, September 17, 2022, 16:55 (796 days ago) @ dhw

dhw: You propose that your God wants full control, and in one of my theories, I propose that he doesn’t. Please explain why your proposal is “God thought” and mine is “human thought”.

All of the possible reasons for actions by God indicate a personality requiring those actions. Your 'one of my theories' indicate you do not have a set description of God. You are amorphous in your concepts of God. I have one set view based on my reading/studies. I see your list of God's desires as showing a humanized God, not on showing the purposeful, selfless God I envision.

dhw: Nobody’s guesses are "substantive", but please stop pretending you know that “God is not human in any way”, when you agree that he probably/possibly has human thought patterns etc. and you even guess which ones he might have. A “person” with all the human characteristics you have attributed to your God but who also created life and the universe and does not have arms, legs, eyes, or a brain will be a “person like no other person”. If you can’t find any defence in Adler for your illogical, anthropocentric theories of evolution, please stop pretending that he can give me the answers you can’t give me.

DAVID: Read Adler for yourself. He was anthropocentric in thought as I am. My theories are Adler and ID. [...]

dhw: These discussions are not about what Adler thinks or doesn’t think. Adler is not God. 1) How do you know that “God is not human in any way”, though he probably has thought patterns and emotions in common with us? 2) If (as you believe) your God’s one and only purpose was to design us and our food, why (as you believe) did he individually design countless organisms (e.g. our beloved brontosaurus) and foods that did not lead to us and our food? 3) If (as you believe) your God’s one and only purpose was to design H. sapiens and our food, why did he decide to design lots of hominins and homos before designing sapiens if (as you believe) he was perfectly capable of designing species without any precursors (Cambrian)? I do not regard “Read Adler” as an answer to these questions. However, I can accept your answer that you have no idea, and your theories “make sense only to God” and therefore not to you or to me.

Same old discussion from you. 1) Adler taught me how to think about God. 2) God used a process of creation that looks like evolution in the Darwin sense. That continuous process led to us and all the ecosystems of food supply, which supply is tenuous, and tells us all branches are necessary. 3) you have no concept of a designer. He can produce in simple steps or giant jumps (Cambrian) at His will. The Cambrian for thinking folks implies design, not your weird twist on it. As for your final distortion: My God does what He does for His own unknown reasons, but I have the IQ (mental capacity) to present cogent analyses of His works. And I have done just that here and in two books.

Can you off us any authority on agnosticism philosophy besides yourself?