Return to David's theory of evolution (Evolution)

by David Turell , Thursday, October 13, 2022, 15:48 (770 days ago) @ dhw

DAVID: Either God designed the history of evolution, or it occurred naturally. It God is the designer and humans are the endpoint, I'll add 'currently' to satisfy you, that is all the facts we have. I've added my theory about God's desire to produce humans, and all you do is complain about evolutionary facts and imply God should have used another method. You have invented an illogical distortion, by complaining about what history presents. I believe it is a history created by God, and He chose evolution for His own personal reasons.

dhw: It is not even a fact that there is a God who designed anything, but since we are discussing a possible God’s purpose, method and nature, we are allowing for his existence. I do not complain about evolutionary facts. I present them to you, because you are desperate to ignore them: namely, it is a fact that prior to humans, there were countless life forms and ecosystems which came to a dead end and did not lead to us and our ecosystems. That is the part of factual history which you have yet again ignored, and which makes nonsense of your THREE “added” theories when you try to combine them: (1) that we were your God’s one and only purpose for creating life; 2) that your God designed every dead end individually; (3) that all the dead ends (which by definition did not lead to us and our food) were absolute requirements for us and our food. All you can say is that he “had his personal reasons”, i.e. you can’t make sense of your own “added” theories, which is precisely what I complain about!

The point you miss is if God is in charge and designed our evolution, all that pre-existed us in history was purposefully created by Him!! All dead ends were ecosystems no longer needed,
by-passed by progress in new forms and their different needs. God knew humans would take charge of Earth, grow to a huge population and need extensive ecosystems to supply enough food. The huge bush of life is that supply. See ecosystem entry yesterday to make the point. your complaint is an empty barrel of distorted invention.

DAVID: My concept of God does not include the need for Him to experiment or produce free-for-alls.

dhw: Not “need”. Why do you make your God needy? If God exists, our starting point is what he wanted. You say he wanted us and our food, and so he began by designing countless life forms etc., the majority of which did not lead to us and our food. And so either he wanted a being with thought patterns and emotions like his (which you think is possible/probable) but had to experiment before finding the right formula, or he did NOT design the countless dead ends, or he kept getting new ideas as he went along, or he had deliberately created some sort of law for himself: “Thou must first create dead ends if thou wishest to design humans and their ecosystems.” The latter seems to be your theory, which is why you can make no sense of it, as you admit below.

Same useless fluff. Note reply bove.

DAVID: Makes perfect sense to me, believing in God. See answer above.

dhw: You have just said that the reason is “known only to God”, so how can it make perfect sense to you?

I don't need to know his reasoning. Neither do you.

Tardigrades

DAVID: more amazing facts about Tardigrades. Why were they created? They fit a role in an ecosystem.

dhw: More fascinating facts about nature, spoilt only by your constant attempts to make sense of your nonsensical theory of evolution. Now instead of your God setting out with the single purpose of designing humans and our ecosystems, you have decided that God started out with the aim of creating ecosystems! This explains why he created all the life forms and organisms that had no connection with his previous purpose, because of course every organism that ever lived was part of an ecosystem!

Plese finally accept it: all life is in an ecosystem!!!

Ecosystems matched

DAVID: The importance of ecosystems is not debated. What they mean is a living space for all and food for all.

I agree completely. The article focuses on the interdependence of our current ecosystems and the massive damage we are doing to them, to our fellow creatures, and to ourselves. And past ecosystems, including all the dead ends that did not lead to us and our food, have always meant a living space and food for all organisms that lived in and depended on them.

DAVID: If the bush of life had not been developed, a linear development would not have survived. Broad ecosystems were an absolute requirement to prepare for the human arrival and dominance.

dhw: How could the dead ends have been an “absolute requirement” to prepare for us? Was your all-powerful God incapable of creating us and our ecosystems without specially designing all the dead ends? You have admitted that you cannot understand why your God “chose to evolve us over direct creation”. (By “evolve” you mean he individually designed every stage of every dead end as well as every stage of our own species). The same applies to our food: all extinct foods which did not lead to OUR food were specially designed to feed us! You cannot understand your own theory, so maybe your own theory is wrong.

I've presented my theory clearly above. Your muddled complaint ignoring facts just continues.