Return to David's theory of evolution PARTS 1 & 2 (Evolution)

by David Turell , Saturday, March 19, 2022, 15:44 (978 days ago) @ dhw

DAVID: Again, God as designer caused the gap. The gap is a strong support of a designer at work!!

dhw: Why have you changed the subject? In one breath you tell us that there are gaps, and God designed our Cambrian ancestors with no precursors, and the next moment there is a continuous line from bacteria to us. I am the one who upholds the theory of continuity, which means that all the different branches of life’s bush – including all those that had no connection with humans plus food – are descended from bacteria.

The gaps are in God's control.. Subject not changed. The gap is phenotypical not biochemical which is continuous!

dhw: Do you really believe that the results of actions can have nothing to do with the purpose of those actions? What sort of logic is that?

DAVID: I'm claiming just the opposite! Our individual descriptions of God's purposes demonstrate two entirely different personalities.

dhw: Please explain why our common ground humanization theory that God enjoys creating and is interested in his creations cannot possibly mean that his purpose for creating life might have been to create things that he would find interesting.

A purely human purpose! He doesn't need to create for His enjoyment.

DAVID: Please not 'only purpose', as that is your defensive distortion of my thoughts. Humans are the purposeful endpoint of His creative evolution

“Goal” and “purpose” have now turned into “purposeful endpoint”! We may be the last and the most dominant species, but that does not mean every life form and food was “preparation for us” and “part of the goal of evolving [= designing] humans” plus food. Two days ago, you wrote: “I don’t pretend with my firmly established beliefs. All of evolution, designed by God, prepared for us.” Whenever you've tried to squirm out of this "firmly established belief", I’ve asked you to tell us what other purpose your God might have had, and so far your only answer has been to provide food for all (see below), but if all the different branches and foods were "preparation" for humans (even though most of the different branches and foods had no connection with humans), we are back to humans plus food being your God’s one and only purpose. Please stop dodging.

The dodge is yours. Humans are God's endpoint/ending purpose through God's designed evolution. You've said He should have logically (your human logic) used direct creation. He didn't because He doesn't think like you or your supposed god does. At every level from BB on He evolves.

Transferred from “Cellular intelligence”:

dhw: Please tell us why you think your God wanted a constant war of survival between his creations.

DAVID: You still haven't resolved the issue of everyone has to eat, and plants have to absorb nutrients. The life system we have requires constant homeostasis, which means a constant energy requirement to support it. What kind of non-war life do you imagine?

dhw: There is no issue: all organisms have to eat. That doesn't mean that all organisms have to eat each other, and it most certainly doesn’t mean that all organisms were specially designed in preparation for humans and our food. There is no reason at all to assume that your God could not have designed a Garden of Eden, with all life forms – including humans - as vegetarians, living and cooperating in peace with one another. Let us not forget that your God is all-knowing and all-powerful. So once more, why do you think he chose to create life as “a constant war to survive by eating"?

In your Eden all eat plants. We know plants don't like it from current research. You ask why can't we have life without war. Your proposal is a war on plants!! Your whole complaint against God's invention is illogical and spurious.