Return to David's theory of evolution PARTS ONE & TWO (Evolution)

by David Turell , Wednesday, April 05, 2023, 18:16 (596 days ago) @ dhw

dhw: If God exists, then for those of us who believe in evolution, of course he produced humans and every other organism by evolution, either directly or indirectly. How does that explain your theory that we were his one and only goal, and therefore he designed 99 out of 100 species that had nothing to do with his goal? Stop dodging!

Logic: He produced us through evolution which REQUIRES that demonstrated historically that low survival. You again are asking why evolve? I can't know!!! As for goal our extraordinary brain, the most complex item in the universe makes US THAT GOAL. Exactly Adler's point.

DAVID: My complaint is your humanized God thinks and acts like a human, not in any way God-like.

dhw: Quite apart from the fact that you yourself once talked of “failed experiments”, and you yourself are certain that he enjoys creating and is interested in his creations (these are the three “human” features of my alternative theories), your complaint is that although you agree your God has thought patterns and emotions like ours, he cannot possibly have acted in a manner which is based on thought patterns and emotions like ours!

As a highly purposeful, all-knowing God I imagine, His thought patterns fit that role!!

DAVID: God did not kill them off. Bad luck did, per Raup.

dhw: If your all-knowing God deliberately designed them with limited adaptability, then he obviously knew his design would result in their non-survival! That's why you wrote that he is responsible for the mess. And it was their bad luck that your God deliberately designed them so that they would go extinct.

DAVID: No answer needed, I told you my view, God limited adaptability as God was speciating as necessary.

dhw: He deliberately designed 99 out of 100 in such a way that they would not survive when conditions changed (that’s how he “killed them off”), and when chance changed the conditions again, he designed 99 more species out of 100, ensuring that they too would not survive. Now please tell us what the 99 were “necessary” for.

A necessary result of living evolution, per Raup. it is a screening, culling process.

dhw: As for “bad luck”, it was the bad luck of the 99 that your God created them in order to kill them off. As for God’s dependence on luck, random conditions dictated what species he could design, and which one of the 100 would survive to enable him to pursue his only goal. And so you have to change your story when it comes to the Cambrian, when all of a sudden he does control conditions, and starts all over again by designing our ancestors from scratch – thereby rendering 100 out of 100 previous species unnecessary.

Fully explained before: the advanced biochemistry developed in the Edicaran prepared for the new forms in the Cambrian. You have acknowledged this previously. Stop shifting your replies.

dhw: You then switch to your usual escape route of what Adler has to say on the subject, although in fact he has nothing to say on the subject.

DAVID: Adler's view is my view. God evolved humans as an endpoint to evolution.

dhw: And therefore God designed 99 species out 100 which had no connection with humans or our food? If Adler did not say so, then there is no point in mentioning Adler.

Adler accepted evolution with all its bells and whistles.

DAVID: The fact that God didn't control every tiny or large element of the environment but was able to produce miraculous humans shows His innate powers.

dhw: Nobody would deny that if your God exists, he has innate powers, which are evident from the existence of all life. This has absolutely nothing to do with your illogical theories about your God’s one and only purpose and the inefficient, cumbersome, messy image of him that you present.

DAVID: An all-powerful God produced us using that cumbersome system.

dhw: So now it has become a fact that your all-powerful God is an inefficient, cumbersome, messy designer. If he exists, I hope he has a sense of humour.

God knows Himself. You don't.