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by David Turell , Sunday, September 11, 2022, 17:10 (802 days ago) @ dhw

Ecosystem importance

DAVID: I mean exactly that. I believe in design of everything. You don't.

dhw: I know you do, but even for a theist, the individual design of every organism, natural wonder etc. is a theory and not a fact.

Same as all the folks you quote about cell brilliance, all opinion, not fact.

DAVID: […] the giant interlocking ecosystems today are God's deliberate plan to provide food for all living organisms. All developed from past branches!!! Those are the reasons you say I cannot think of!

dhw: Once again you are editing evolution. Yes, all organisms eat/ate food and are/were eaten in their own ecosystems, and all current living things are developed from past branches. But you are deliberately editing out all the past branches that did NOT lead to all the things that are alive today but which you claim were “absolute requirements” for us and our food!

I have always said all branches lead to current ecosystems.

DAVID (under “Neandertals”): It is obvious when we use the word 'evolution,' we see different concepts. I see it as purely stepwise development by design. The designer can skip a step if He wishes (Cambrian). He is not required to have your human consistency complaint.

dhw: I also see evolution as stepwise development. It is your combination of purpose and method that “makes sense only to God” and therefore not to you. If his one and only purpose was to create H. sapiens plus food, as you claim, and if he had the power to create species without any precursors, as you claim, it makes no sense for him to design umpteen hominins and homos in itsy-bitsy stages. So I look for a logical theory to explain the stages.[…]

It is what God desired to do. He can choose as many stages as He wishes. You can't outthink God and tell Him he did it wrong!!!

dhw: Please stop hiding behind Adler to defend theories which do not make sense even to you and which you have repeatedly said do NOT play a part in Adler’ religious philosophy.

I use Adler's religious philosophy to form my theories! Stop distorting!

DAVID: Thank you for this. The flaws in your approach to my theories are numerous. You keep denying the design approach which accepts everything is designed.

dhw: I accept A, not YOUR design approach. “Design” does not automatically mean your God individually designed every species, ecosystem, lifestyle, natural wonder etc., or that his sole purpose was to design us plus our food.

God designed reality; that means everything is His works.

DAVID: The giant ecosystems are here for a purpose which I have explained as food for all.

dhw: Every ecosystem since the beginning of life has provided food for all the living things within it. That does not mean every ecosystem since the beginning of life was an “absolute requirement” in preparation for sapiens plus food!

Under God's design purposes

DAVID: You complain about all the evolutionary branches that do not lead to us. Illogical! Only one branch can lead to us.

dhw: I do not complain. I use the facts to show that your theory makes no sense. Yes, only one branch can lead to us. Some other branches led to our food. Other branches – the vast majority – led neither to us nor our food, and so it makes no sense to claim that ALL of them were an “absolute requirement” for us and our food! You admit that your theories are illogical (they make sense only to God), and then you play word games to try and hide the illogicality you have already acknowledged. Please stop it.

The entire Earth contains our ecosystems for food. How many more articles do I have to produce to crack your cemented mind?