Return to David's theory of evolution PARTS 1 & 2 (Evolution)

by David Turell , Wednesday, May 18, 2022, 14:50 (918 days ago) @ dhw

dhw: Correction: you cannot explain your interpretation of God’s works, and the quote is that your interpretation “makes sense only to God”, which means it does not make sense to you.

DAVID: Wow!! What a scrambled-up interpretation. Finally, I can understand your problem. It makes perfect sense to me. I accept what God did for His own reasons, while not needing to understand His reasoning, which is obviously impossible. I've written this before, and don't understand your obtuse interpretation, excpet to point out you do not think about God as I do.

dhw: If God exists, we both accept that he would have produced life and evolution. You then go on to theorize that his one and only purpose was to produce us and our food, but first of all he produced countless life forms and foods that did not lead to us and our food, and although he was perfectly capable of designing species with no precursors, he designed us in stages. You cannot find any sense in this theory (it “makes sense only to God”), but you reject any logical alternatives. Please stop assuming that your illogical theory is an objective truth, and claiming that it makes sense to you because only your God can understand it! (my bold)

My view of God is 'not an objective proof', but your obtuse rejection of my simple acceptance of God's work from my belief in God shows the huge gap in your understanding of how we, who believe, actually think. I accept what God did and choses to do for His own reasons. You don't have to. I'm on the other side of the chasm. "Makes sense to God" makes perfect sense to me.

dhw: As I pointed out in bold in the same post, “the fact that all life is biochemical does not explain the gaps”. H.sapiens is a species, and while I am happy to follow Darwin’s argument that all species descend from earlier species (common descent), you emphasize the gaps which you believe denote speciation without precursors. This clearly breaks the continuity of speciation, and since you claim that we humans are descended from species that had no precursors, you contradict your own belief in continuity from bacteria to us, and hence your belief that we were your God’s one and only purpose from the very start.

DAVID: Obtuse thinking again. Why was Darwin so concerned about the Cambrian gap? Because it didn't fit his theory or continuing your acceptance of his theory. A designer creating the phenotypical gaps does! I accept a designer and you don't.

dhw: Dodging again. Like Darwin, I am an agnostic. All theories must include the possibility of God as designer. The gaps are real. There are two possible THEISTIC explanations. 1) God created species with no precursors (from which we are descended), in which case you cannot claim that there is a continuous line from bacteria to humans, who you say were his one and only purpose from the beginning.

The continuous line is the biochemical work of the designer God, who creates gaps in forms. Your supposed theism accepts design.

dhw: 2) God created a continuous line from bacteria to humans, and so the gaps are the result of an incomplete fossil record, which is hardly surprising given the enormous stretches of time involved and the special circumstances required for dead bodies to survive the ravages of time. Of course neither explanation of the gaps explains your illogical theory that although we plus food were God’s only purpose from the beginning, he individually designed countless organisms and foods that had no connection with us or our food.

The endpoint of evolution is inexplicable US. Adler demolishes your point. And the 'countless organisms' currently existing because of evolution are our food!

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dhw: So please stop pretending that “we believers” accept your illogical theory of evolution and your blinkered way of thinking about God.

DAVID: In conferences with ID folks, I know we think alike, much to your surprise. Accepting that design requires a thinking designer would solve all your confusion.

dhw: Of course you and ID folks and religious believers think alike when it comes to the existence of God! The confusion arises when you promote a theory of evolution that makes no sense even to you (it “makes sense only to God”),

It makes perfect sense to me as constantly described. It makes no sense to your rigid views of how to think about God as believers do.