Return to David's theory of evolution PARTS 1 & 2 (Evolution)

by David Turell , Wednesday, March 23, 2022, 19:01 (765 days ago) @ dhw

DAVID:They make no sense to you, not me. Don't put your thoughts into my arena? Distortion of fact of a distortion of comprehension of a simple fact?

dhw: You have admitted that you can’t explain the above, have told me to ask God for an explanation, and have informed us that “God makes sense only to Himself. He has reasons we may not understand.”

Exactly!!! We cannot know why God thought to do anything. We can assume and guess from His demonstrated works logically. But still the basis will depend upon how one views God's personality which brings us to His possible personal desires for himself. We differ widely.

DAVID: My point is evolution is evolving biochemistry and also phenotypical changes. Two separate parts of evolution. Can you recognize that?
And from the cell thread:
DAVID: Proper biochemistry existed in Edicarans. Cambrian was simply additional phenotypic change, as all evolved from each other biochemically

dhw: I can indeed recognize that, but I’m wondering why suddenly you’ve forgotten the word “species”. Can you recognize that brontosauruses and humans belong to different species, and that according to you, the species from which we have descended appeared without precursors during the Cambrian, which can only mean there was no direct line from bacteria to us?

'Species' is the phenotypical aspect of evolution, not the biochemical. Evolution is both.

DAVID: Did you ever study theistic views of God which show you how to view God for yourself?

DAVID: Of course you are allowed to think for yourself, but aimlessly with no background in research in current thought on the subject?

dhw: Aimlessly? Why do you think I set up this website? Current thought on the subject of “how to think for yourself about God”? The subject itself is a contradiction. Please let’s get back to our themes rather than waste time discussing my reading list.

OK, not aimless. Did you look at theistic discussion of how to theists think about God? I did so before entering into a study of my agnosticism as necessary preparation for a decision.

Bacteria help ground squirrels hibernate
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DAVID: Be realistic. All bacteria have fought with each other since they began. Do you live in a pipedream?

dhw: You asked me to “conceive of a different peaceful form of life”. I have done so, and all you can do is tell me there’s been war since bacteria began. I know. And so I asked you why your God would have chosen to create war rather than cooperative peace, as in the hibernation example. Please answer.

I have answered. I have no idea if peaceful bacteria are possible. God chose what was needed. Your problem as usual.

BLOOD BRAIN BARRIER CONTROLS (transferred from “cellular intelligence”)

dhw: You may not have noticed, but we are in the midst of a pandemic caused by a virus. Millions of people have died or been permanently damaged, and your God’s instructions have apparently not yet come into play.

DAVID: You fall hook life and sinker for the hype media uses to frighten you. In 1919 the US lost 600,000 with 110,000,000 population. At 330,000,000 now we have lost just over 600,000. So do the math. Don't you see the improvement the time around? Of course not, only the Garden of Eden satisfies you , were no blood is shed.

dhw: Praise the Lord! His invention has only killed 6+ million people, which as a proportion of the world’s population is probably an improvement over his previous pandemics. But as usual, you have missed the point, which is why your God chose to design war rather than peace.

You answer it, I can't. We battled over theodicy before.