Return to David's theory of evolution PART 1 (Evolution)

by David Turell , Sunday, July 03, 2022, 15:37 (664 days ago) @ dhw

Agnosticism

dhw: You keep ignoring the fact that it is the combination of these theories that makes no sense. I do not “complain” that he didn’t design us directly. I complain that the history (we evolved in stages) is not compatible with your combined theories that a) we were your God’s one and only goal, and b) he could have designed us without any precursors if he’d wanted to. 1, 2 and 3 are indeed reasonable thoughts, and that is why you focus on them separately, whereas it is their combination that makes no sense to you. What else are you referring to when you say you can’t explain your theory, I should go and ask God to explain it, and it “makes sense only to God”?

There is a giant nuance of difference in our interpretations of my views: I fully believe God (as the designer) caused the process we refer to as evolution for His own reasons. In charge of creating reality, He chose the stepwise process we know. We argue over 'goal' or 'endpoint' as the human end of evolution, but it is the current endpoint. My explanation is perfectly clear: belief and trust in a God who knows full well how to do creation.

dhw: […] to counter your absurd accusation that I know better than your God what he should have done, I am assuming – unlike you – that he would have had logical reasons for everything he did.

DAVID: His logic is obviously not your logic, and I fully accept His logic from His own reasoning.

dhw: How can you fully accept his logic when you don’t know what it is?

That is where interpretation comes in! And you, not understanding a believer's viewpont object totally irrationally.

DAVID: Have you discard your very human God?

dhw: mI don’t understand your question. I offer ALTERNATIVE theories, each of which follows on from one or other of your three premises. You reject them all because they entail human thought patterns, although you believe your God probably has human thought patterns. Another of your self-contradictions.

It is your contradiction to assume God has your human thought processes

Cellular intelligence

DAVID: Your renowned experts used hyperbolic descriptions of cellular intelligent actions, implying innate intelligence as compared to intelligently designed instructions.

dhw: My renowned experts believe that cells are intelligent. You believe the odds are 50/50, but for you, 50/50 means 100% no. It is your belief that their expert descriptions are “hyperbolic”, and that cells only obey your God’s instructions. I presume you justify your beliefs because you regard your “deep knowledge of the biochemistry of life” as deeper than theirs.

I said they used hyperbole as an honest appraisal of their written views. All ID is with me.

Recovery from brain damage

"'It looks like the entire brain is being carefully rewired to accommodate for the damage, regardless of whether there was direct injury to the region or not…"

dhw: If your God exists, didn’t write a book of instructions 3.8 billion years ago for mouse-brain rewiring, or doesn’t pop in whenever a mouse injures itself, I would suggest that maybe he designed cells to work out their own way of autonomously reconfiguring and rewiring themselves.

The brain obviously requires that exact ability, so God provided it. It doesn't support your brilliant cell theory.

Human only networks

QUOTE: 'Interneurons make about a fourth to a third of cortical nerve cells that behave in a very peculiar way: they are highly active, however, not to activate other neurons, rather to silence them. Just like kindergarten caretakers, or guards in the museum: their very laborious and highly energy consuming activity is to keep others peaceful, quiet.”

dhw: Here we have a very vivid description of how intelligent cells organize themselves. We only need to substitute “communities” for “networks” to see how the system works.

Still struggling to protect your brilliant cell committee theory. The study on ty shows us how the brain uses its plasticity, a process no other organ has or needs.