Return to David's theory of evolution (Evolution)

by dhw, Thursday, October 27, 2022, 08:52 (756 days ago) @ David Turell

DAVID: It is obvious that in any evolutionary process as organisms disappear their supporting ecosystems will also disappear, creating what we are calling dead ends. You are creating a problem when there is none.
dhw: Yes, it is obvious, and it is no problem at all. The problem is your insistence that every one of those dead ends was necessary for your God’s fulfilment of what you say was his one and only purpose (to design us and our food), although by definition not one of them was necessary for the fulfilment of that purpose. Please stop this endless dodging.

DAVID: The way your argument is stated diminishes the food-need problem. See below for more discussion of the high calorie needs.

All forms of life need food, and some need more calories than others. How does this prove that for 3.X billion years your God specially designed every life form, ecosystem, lifestyle, strategy as an “absolute requirement” for us and our food, although the vast majority led neither to us nor to our food? Over and over again you have told us that we can’t know your God’s reasons. In other words, quite understandably, you can’t make any sense of your theory,

The Cambrian Explosion

dhw: Your theory that we are descended from Cambrian organisms that had no predecessors makes nonsense of your theory that your God’s purpose from the very beginning of life was to create us and our food. A God who can do whatever he likes would not have “had to” create all the unnecessary organisms and ecosystems prior to the Cambrian, and even you admit that it makes no sense that even after the Cambrian he went on to design us in stages. (You say your theory “makes sense only to God”.)

DAVID: It all comes back to the food-need issue. Starting many new phyla which ended at 37, provided the necessary bush of life, which formed the overall ecosystems that provide our current food supply needs. What God did makes perfect sense to me.

So now you are telling us that 500+ million years ago your God created not only the human line of life, but also those of our foods, without any predecessors. So all the life forms etc that he designed before the Cambrian had no connection with us or with our food supplies! They were all dead ends. Once more, why would your God, who can do what he likes, have designed all those dead ends?

DAVID […]: You obviously don't agree with my clear explanations of dead ends in evolution, but don't distort the issue by stating I 'can't explain'.

You have not explained them. Most of the time you tell us they were necessary, but it turns out they were only necessary for the organisms which lived at that time. NOT for us and our food supply! In your own words: “past ecosystems fed past animals. With advances to new forms new ecosystems appeared and old ones faded away as dead ends.” A dead end leads nowhere – and your Cambrian theory tells us that all preceding life forms and ecosystems were irrelevant to the evolution of us and our food! […]

DAVID: All those dead ends supported the process of evolution. Without them evolution could not continue to advance. Your weird view of evolutionary food-needs is wildly skewed.

What do you mean by “supported the process of evolution”? Your argument has always been that the dead ends were “necessary” for your God to be able to design us and our food. If we and our food were his only purpose and he could do what he liked, then all that was “necessary” was the lines of evolution that did lead to us and our food, and according to you, these lines only began during the Cambrian! And even after that, you have never been able to explain why your God “had to” design the brontosaurus (not to mention the rest of the dinosaurs who ruled the earth for 180 million years), and you can’t explain why he had to design us in stages. It “makes sense only to God”. So maybe, just maybe, there is something wrong with your theories?