Return to David's theory of evolution PARTS 1 & 2 (Evolution)

by dhw, Monday, July 18, 2022, 08:14 (619 days ago) @ David Turell

DAVID: All your so-called bits and pieces exist only in your mind. It is all held together by my acceptance that God chose to evolve us, the most improbable result if chance is considered.

dhw: […] The so-called bits and pieces are all the theories you have been advocating on this forum for years and years. They are not held together by the fact that we evolved, because according to you, sapiens and food were your God’s one and only purpose, and yet he also evolved (= individually designed) countless extinct life forms and econiches that had no connection with us.

DAVID: Once again you ignore what evolution did as a whole. That all the branches are not human branches is obvious, but they must exist to provide food for all. You create the bits and pieces, with your disjointed view of the bush of life. In the giant ecosystem of life, all parts are dependent upon each other for food.

Of course all parts of all ecosystems depend on each other for food! But it is you who ignore what “evolution did as a whole”, because you insist that every extinct branch and every extinct ecosystem, including all those that had no connection with us and our food, was preparation for and an “absolute requirement” for us and our food!

DAVID: Then we agree ecosystems evolved all the way from bacteria to humans. And all were required developing steps to reach humans.

dhw: What??? That is the absurdly illogical conclusion which lies at the heart of our dispute! If your God individually designed countless life forms and econiches that had no connection with sapiens and our food, how can they all have been “required” to reach humans??? You don’t know. This absurd theory of yours “makes sense only to God.” Why do you keep promulgating a theory that makes no sense to you?

DAVID:The only aspect of my theory you have glommed onto is simply 'what makes sense to God' is the reason He chose to evolve us. It is His private reasoning. Simply accepting it is OK. So it makes perfect sense to me and many others.

Then please explain why your God, whose one and only purpose you say was to evolve (= design) h. sapiens plus food, evolved (designed) countless life forms and econiches that had no connection with h. sapiens plus food. And while you’re at it, please explain how your inability to explain a theory which “makes sense only to God” can possibly mean that the theory makes sense to you?

dhw: I have provided several alternative theories to explain why – if he exists - he chose evolution to produce the countless number of life forms and econiches that constitute the history of life on Earth, including those which had no connection with sapiens and our food.

DAVID: Just accept that your theories about God's reasoning results in your very humanized God version.

One of your certainties in the past was that your God enjoyed creating and was interested in his creations. One of my alternative theories is that he might have enjoyed creating all the life forms and econiches (including humans), and he wanted to create something that he would find interesting. Please explain why you find this possibility unacceptable.

DAVID: Your constant interpretation of my thoughts is so twisted and lacks so much insight into my thinking it seems impossible for me to explain it, but I have tried above.

dhw: How can you possibly explain a theory which “makes sense only to God”? Please tell me which of these “interpretations of your thoughts” are twisted: 1) God’s one and only purpose was to “evolve” (= design) sapiens plus food. 2) God individually “evolved” (= designed) countless life forms and econiches that had no connection with sapiens plus food. 3) God designed some species (Cambrian) that had no precursors (i.e. that did not evolve in stages).

DAVID: Same mess of your psychoanalysis of my theory which I have fully rationally explained.

Please tell me which of the above interpretations of your theory is "twisted". And once more, please explain rationally why a God whose one and only purpose was to design sapiens plus food proceeded to design countless life forms and econiches that had no connection with sapiens plus food.


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