Return to David's theory of evolution (Evolution)

by David Turell , Saturday, October 22, 2022, 16:11 (761 days ago) @ dhw

DAVID: We have become dominant, and God knew that would happen. He gave us free will. Obviously, we control our future and God wanted it that way. We are on our own by His choice. (dhw's bold)

dhw: The history of life has produced countless life forms etc., some of which have evolved into the life forms etc. that exist today, while others have been dead ends that have ceased to evolve into anything. One theistic explanation for the dead ends (which you can’t explain) is that your God gave all life forms the ability to design their own means of survival. Some failed while others succeeded. They controlled their future and God wanted it that way. They were on their own by his choice.

I've explained the dead ends as no longer necessary ecosystems. My God maintains control of evolution, not your humanized God's free-for-all.

DAVID: Still not thinking. We were evolved. How does evolution work unless ecosystems support it all along the way from 3.8 billion years ago? As organisms disappeared so did ecosystems.

dhw: Still not thinking. All life forms except the very first were evolved. Some ecosystems supported those life forms that eventually evolved into us and our current ecosystems (although you deny this – see below re the Cambrian). Other ecosystems and organisms (the vast majority) from 3.8 billion years ago did NOT evolve into us and our ecosystems, and yet you insist that your God designed them all as “absolute requirements” for us and our ecosystems.

What I have colored red is your imagination at work. With the current human population size, everything evolved from the past became all the ecosystems present today and necessary for human survival.

DAVID: ...Fine. Let's imagine direct creation of humans. They must have food you'll agree. The giant bush of evolution would need to be produced in a Big Bang of immediate creation for the proper supporting ecosystem.

dhw: According to you, that is precisely what he did during the Cambrian Explosion, and you even go so far as to specify that we ourselves and the animals we eat descended from those life forms, which had no predecessors. Your view of the Cambrian completely contradicts your theory that every pre-Cambrian life form and ecosystem was “necessary” to produce us (plus our food).

DAVID: You don't understand the Cambrian shows the best evidence for a designer we have, other than the designed complexity of any living biochemistry.

dhw: I understand your use of your theory as evidence for the existence of God, and I understand your desire to divert attention from the contradiction I’ve just pointed out.

Not a contradiction. A designer creates a point where basic biochemistry and Earth's progressive evolution provide the necessary substrate to allow the gap. Note phosphorous levels in sea water:

https://scitechdaily.com/scientists-solve-an-origin-of-life-mystery/

"Researchers from the Universities of Cambridge and Cape Town may have found a solution to the mystery of how phosphorus came to be an essential component of life on Earth by recreating prehistoric seawater containing the element in a laboratory.

"Their findings, which were published in the journal Nature Communications, suggest that seawater may be the missing source of phosphate, suggesting that it could have been present in sufficient quantities to support life without the need for particular environmental conditions."

DAVID: Your muddled distortion of decrying ecosystems as dead ends when they are necessary to exist and then disappear as stages of evolution appear and then disappear is unreasonably illogical.

dhw: Past dead end systems were necessary for the life forms that depended on them, but they were not necessary for us and our ecosystems. I have generously left out your muddled pretence that this somehow means I don’t understand the importance of ecosystems and the manner in which we are destroying our own.

What evolved became our necessary ecosystems of today. Your pretense is dead ends make my God a bumbling muddled mess. As your God theoretically manages evolution, He produce the same dead ends. All evolution produces dead ends, an intrinsic result.