Return to David's theory of evolution PART TWO (Evolution)

by David Turell , Thursday, March 30, 2023, 00:16 (603 days ago) @ dhw

PART TWO

Cyclones

DAVID: What you call experimentation, I see as purposeful designs.

dhw: There is no contradiction. In one of my theories, your God experiments with the purpose of finding the best formula for creating a being in his own image (which eventually turns out to be us). But with your theory, you can’t find any reason why he would design 99 out of 100 life forms that have no connection with that purpose.

There is no way for us to agree. God knew how to make our universe at the start. It is precisely fine-tuned for life. He invented life and then chose to evolve us from initial Archaea. An evolutionary process is a screening process which in our case involved a 99.9% loss of forms, but successfully produced us.

dhw: You won’t even acknowledge that his lack of control over conditions restricts him to designing life forms that will cope with those conditions, and provides an obvious reason why the 99% would not lead to us and our food, since conditions keep randomly changing. “Trying to design evolutionary advances” is hardly commensurate with a God who knows exactly what he wants and exactly how to get it.

My God knew exactly how to evolve us over time. You can criticise, but God made choices you disagree with. You create the problem with illogical analysis of God.

Supernovas and biodiversity

DAVID: If you believe God chose to evolve us, it makes perfect sense. God may have other ancillary goals. I've never said 'none'.

dhw: It does not make sense that an all-powerful God would choose to design 99 irrelevant life forms out of 100. So I have asked you what other purpose he might have had for designing them. You won’t tell us, because you know that they might turn out to support theories which are different from yours. Stop dodging.

A fine example of this is your certainty that your God enjoys creating and watches his creations with interest. This provides an obvious purpose for all his designs (not just us and our food), and so you try to wriggle out of it with your nonsense about your own beliefs not meaning what you mean!

I mean exactly this: my God is fully purposeful and knows what He wishes to create and creates it by evolving it.

DAVID: Preposterous!! I'm not hiding behind God theories, other than creating Humans because nothing else is obvious.

The only obvious facts are that humans and lots of other life forms are here, and countless extinct life forms preceded us and did not evolve into us or our contemporary life forms. Evolutionists believe that we and our contemporaries evolved in a continuum through the 1% of survivors. It is the 99% of non-survivors that make nonsense of your theory of evolution, unless you genuinely believe that your God is an inefficient and cumbersome mess-maker.

What is nonsense is your total misunderstanding of an evolutionary process. It screens and survival rates are very small. Point is proven.

Common descent

DAVID: A real 'theistic' God does not need experimentation. He knows what He wants to produce and produces it directly.

dhw: Except that he did NOT directly produce what you believe to have been his one and only purpose. You never stop contradicting yourself.

DAVID: No contradiction. God's choice of evolution to produce us was purposeful.

dhw: A real ‘theistic’ God knows what he wants and “produces it directly”, but your God does not produce it directly – he produces it through what you call an inefficient, cumbersome, messy process of evolution which results in his producing 99 out of 100 species that have nothing to do with what you believe to have been his purpose. Even when he eventually gets round to producing anthropoids, he still doesn’t produce sapiens directly! You could hardly have made it clearer that your God is not a “real theistic God” at all.

He is fully theistic as described. If God made history, as I believe, God chose to evolve us!!!