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by David Turell , Tuesday, April 19, 2022, 19:31 (738 days ago) @ dhw

DAVID: I accepted all that the mind has created as His direct doing.

dhw: You are playing with words. The problem raised by your theory is why, if humans were his goal, he did not design them directly.

No word play. You want me to explain God's choice of method of creation. I can't so I won't

DAVID: The endpoint of the procession from bacteria at the start to humans at the end tells me He wanted humans to appear.

dhw: That is perfectly possible, but since he also designed countless other life forms that did not lead to humans, he must have wanted them to appear as well, and so you are back to the mystery of why, if his ONLY aim was humans (as you keep repeating) he designed all the other forms. You can’t answer, so maybe something is wrong with your theory.

I've answered an OBVIOUS point, food supply for our current enormous population..

DAVID: No one can answer your complaint re' not using direct creation.

dhw: Of course they can’t, if they accept all your premises, because the combination of those premises makes no sense. And so instead of brazenly assuming that your theory is right but “God makes sense only to Himself”, perhaps you should consider the possibility that God’s purpose and method are not what you say they are.

The obvious method is a stepwise creation!!! Humans as an endpoint are PURPOSE

dhw: You wrote: “I think he devised a system from scratch consciously making choices and came up with the best in his view.” The best indicates a choice, but I don’t think it makes much difference whether he made choices between systems or between components of one system – choices still denote alternatives to what we ended up with.

I accept it is the only possible system, because it is God's choice

dhw: My theory has him creating the system he wanted to create, not the system he “had to” create because there was no choice although he made choices. Which of these sounds more “godlike” to you?

DAVID: Exactly your theory, except only one could work.

dhw: He would have chosen the one that worked the way he wanted it to work. In your theory, despite all his choices, he had no choice because this was the only one that would work.

Yes!!!

dhw: You have dodged the Cambrian issue. If your God could create species without precursors (and you say we are descended from them), why didn’t he create us directly if we were his only goal?

DAVID: Not dodged. His choice of methodology. Your imagined humanized God does not recognize the true God is not required to be consistent.

dhw: YOUR – not his – choice of methodology is for him to have specially designed a direct line from bacteria to humans, except that during the Cambrian he designed new life forms with no precursors, and we are descended from them. But all life forms are biochemical, and for some unknown reason this means that all life forms were designed in preparation for humans (plus our food). You also happen by great good fortune to know the true God, and you know that the true God only makes sense to himself.

And you have no concept of how to think about God. What have you read on the subject? And from whom?