Return to David's theory of evolution PART 1 (Evolution)

by David Turell , Wednesday, June 08, 2022, 20:59 (687 days ago) @ dhw

DAVID: My statements mean I accept the history as God's direct work. He is the author/creator of the history. The fact that you do not accept that is why my theories confuse you. We are discussing at two different levels. Remember I do not accept how you think about God in any way.

dhw: For the history see above. As regards your theories, the statements I am referring to have nothing to do with your “acceptance” of history, but concern the logic behind the theories, which over and over again you say you can’t explain, you can’t know God’s reasons, I should go and ask God, and they “make sense only to God”. Do you really want me to compile a list with dates?

You simply will not accept my view that God did all of this. Instead you want me to analyze this the way you do, from your humaized God point of view, which I do not accept. That way is critical of the timing how humans arrived. The timing dosn't trouble me at all. God can do it any way He wishes for His own unknown reasons. I have no reason to dispute that point as you do. So to repeat, I can't answer your invented illogical questions. They have made no sense to me for the many years you've raised them.

The rise of the mammals

QUOTE: "Within just a few hundred thousand years of the asteroid impact that wiped out all nonbird dinos some 66 million years ago, mammals moved in to fill the vacancy, rapidly getting a lot bigger, ballooning from, say, mouse-sized to beaver-sized. Pretty soon, they got a lot smarter too. In a geologic blink — a scant 10 million years — mammals’ brains caught up with their brawn, and then the Age of Mammals was off to the races."

DAVID: from the standpoint of design, the story fits perfectly. Their waiting in the wings sounds exactly liike pre-planning. What is the driving force that chance mutations could create? IT doen't exist. Only a desinging mind could direct mutations to produce a big-brained human.

dhw: We long ago dismissed the concept of random mutations as the “driving force”, and according to you, only a designing mind could produce every species that ever existed. And so from the standpoint of design, the story sounds exactly like lack of planning. If your all-powerful God’s intention right from the start was to design humans (plus food), what was the point of him specially designing dinosaurs and then wiping them all out?

Again, weird humanized analysis. Dinosaurs were a step along the sasy to more comoplexity. Birds arrived out of them as well as lizzard and other forms, all of which contribute to the mutifacited ecosystems that provide food for all. I accept that each step fits into God's preconceived plan for evolution.

Giraffe (shifted from “More miscellany")

dhw: […]it’s hard to see why the giraffe’s long neck was – according to your theory of evolution - an “absolute requirement” for the design of humans and our food.

DAVID: You gave the reason above. Giraffes contribute to their required ecosystem.

dhw: All life forms contribute to their ecosystem, but that doesn’t mean all past life forms and ecosystems were specially designed as “absolute requirements” for humans and our food!

DAVID: Your view of the need for our huge human population food supply is shortsighted as usual.

dhw: So if the giraffe didn’t have its long neck, we humans would starve? And 3.X billion years’ worth of life forms and ecosystems, the vast majority of which had no connection with humans and our food, were specially designed as “absolute requirements” for us and our food! And you think I am shortsighted?

Yes. Thank you for the retorical queston.

New extremophiles
QUOTE: “[Polycephalum] makes decisions with no apparent source of intelligence.”

dhw: I suppose you believe that 3.8 billion years ago, God gave these extremophiles instructions on how to survive, because they were all “absolute requirements” for him to design humans and our food.

DAVID: My view is if life started in the Hadean period of chaos on early Earth, it had to have very tough aspects of its resistence to adversity. That life is here is a miracle I would attribute to a designing God.

dhw: I agree with most of this, and I certainly can’t discount God as the designer of the original cells. But your theory that all these life forms were “absolute requirements” for humans? Nah, I can’t buy that.

DAVID: What will it take to open up the cement strangling your concepts of evoution?

dhw: I have offered several theistic concepts of evolution, each of which fits in logically with the history of life as we know it. You have offered one, which is so illogical that according to you it “makes sense only to God”. Please ask yourself the question you have asked me.

I accept that God does exactly what He wishes: Evolution as seen in hisotry is His wish.