Return to David's theory of evolution (Evolution)

by David Turell , Saturday, August 06, 2022, 17:21 (629 days ago) @ dhw

DAVID: How can I not use design??? Its basis is having to recognize a designer and noting an endpoint of humans, which is so unusual that it also supports a purposeful designer with an obvious endpoint in mind. How you cannot follow this reasoning is beyond me.

dhw: As usual, you are dodging the point at issue by editing out those factors which make your theory illogical. All of the above IS logical. What is not logical is your claim that your all-powerful God started out with the sole purpose of designing sapiens and his food, but individually designed 3.X billion years’ worth of species, ecosystems, lifestyles and natural wonders the majority of which had no connection with sapiens plus food.

What is illogical is your refusal to accept the theory that God CHOSE to create us by evolving us including all the factors in your bold. The history is God's creation. It tells us how we got here by God's actions. You irrationally question a God designer who created everything extant. Everything extant is the necessary food!!!

dhw: [/b]A further illogicality is your claim that your all-powerful God was able to created species that had no precursors, and yet the only species he actually wanted to design (apart from our food) passed through stage after stage. You cannot explain either of these anomalies, and admit that they "make sense only to God". But you refuse even to consider the possibility that one or more of them might be wrong.

Once again you are questioning how God did it. He had the right to jump ahead without precursors at any point He wished.

dhw: I have always objected to your use of the words “entertainment” and “neediness” as being unnecessarily pejorative, and I have been scrupulous in repeating your own terms: enjoyment and interest. As above, how can you possibly know that his enjoyment of (or liking for) creation and interest in us and desire for recognition are NOT some form of self-gratification? Once you agreed that the creator had probably/possibly endowed his creations with similar thought patterns and emotions to his own. And why not? You make up his attributes (and non-attributes) as you go along in order to rescind all the humanizing features you have given him! And then you complain that my alternative theories of evolution “humanize” him.

dhw: You abandoned this discussion.

I've answered before, but since you request again, God creates with full purpose and without self-consideration of His own emotional reactions. All of our human considerations about His emotions must be put in allegorical terms, since He is not human and is a person like no other person. He should enjoy what He does and wishing a relationship with us is obvious. I don't need to rediscuss your humanized God in the thought patterns you ascribe to Hin.

DAVID: The whole thing is connected!!! Evolution is one continuum from bacteria to us. You are slicing and dicing again with no logic in your objection.

dhw: You have acknowledged over and over again that evolution is NOT one continuum from bacteria to us. It is one continuum from bacteria to countless branches of life forms and ecosystems including us and ours, and that is why it is illogical to propose that your God designed every single one, and did so because every single one was an “absolute requirement” in preparation for us and our ecosystems although the vast majority of them had no connection with us and our ecosystems.

DAVID: There is a continuum from bacteria to us if one traces out the proper branches.

dhw: But the problem you keep dodging is all the other branches that did NOT lead to us although you claim they were all an absolute requirement for us! Please stop dodging!

Answer this question: how do we eat without all the branches creating food-supplying ecosystems as below:

DAVID: As for ecosystems for food. they are complexly intertwined to provide food for all living forms. And please recognize the bush is so large because our population has grown so large as God expected it would.

dhw: And they were complexly intertwined to provide for ALL the forms that lived for 3.X billion years before us, and you have no idea why he designed all those that had no connection with us and our large population. Please stop dodging!

Answered logically above. I have exactly the idea that answers you, FOOD.