Return to David's theory of evolution (Evolution)

by David Turell , Thursday, November 17, 2022, 18:45 (735 days ago) @ dhw

DAVID: You don't approach history from my standpoint at all. I accept the history of evolution is God's creation.

dhw: If God exists, then we will all have to accept that, but the history is of countless life forms which have come and gone. It is not history that your God designed each one individually, or that his only purpose was to design us plus food, or that all the dead ends were necessary for the design of humans plus food!

Of course God is not historical!!! But my belief is God created everything and my views as stated starts with that fact.

dhw: A God in full control of everything would know just how to design what he wanted to design. But thank you for endorsing my second theory, which explains all the dead ends as being due to his experimenting (trying different approaches) in order to find the best one. At last you are beginning to open your mind to my logical theistic alternatives.

DAVID: The bold is correct. The rest is your flannel. My comment above was from the human level of design which is what I thought was your level of discussion. To be quite clear: in my designing I had to look at alternatives; God is direct and knows exactly how to proceed with no alternative experimentations.

dhw: This is the most ridiculous of your dodges so far! The point at issue is the dead ends, i.e those branches of evolution which did not lead to your God’s one and only purpose of sapiens plus food but which you tell us he had to design because “all evolution has branches that lead to dead ends as types of individuals don’t survive and the ecosystems they support stop”.

Above I explain I misunderstood the level of discussion of design at human level, not God level, and then you jump all over me as 'dodging'.

dhw: When I propose that the dead ends might be the result of your God experimenting, you tell me that God does not need to experiment, and I don’t understand design theory. Then you tell me that design theory means experimenting! I say thank you for telling us that the dead ends could be the result of your God conforming to design theory by experimenting, but then you say he doesn’t! He is direct! So now he designed us without having to design all the dead ends which according to you and your design theory he had to design because all evolution has to have dead ends. Please stop contradicting yourself.

You invent contradictions in your head. Note the bold. Yes, He is direct in designing a new form and directly designs each step of evolution. Accept, in my view, He formed every step from Archaea to humans.