Return to David's theory of evolution (Evolution)

by dhw, Saturday, February 25, 2023, 07:19 (420 days ago) @ David Turell

DAVID: God is not a blunderer. Your conclusion has no basis since God used a messy system to produce humans successfully. Try this view: God was able to overcome the imperfections of living evolution through His design abilities.

dhw: This is getting more and more absurd. According to you, the imperfections of living evolution were all of your God’s making! “God ran evolution. He is responsible for all its warts.” It is you who insist that 99% of his designs were mistakes, failed experiments, wrong choices, and his method of achieving his goal was “inefficient” and “cumbersome”. I’m quoting you! If he really designed every life form individually (as in my first two alternatives, and as opposed to the free-for-all), your version has him succeeding in spite of his inefficiency, not because of it!

DAVID: You are more absurd. Raad and understand my current dialog and quit dwelling in past.

Your current dialogue is simply an attempt to edit out all the derogatory implications of the theory you are still trying to defend!

DAVID: It described a messy system He was using.

It describes a messy system you believe he invented.

DAVID: His designs were not mistakes but a failure of organisms to adapt to survive as conditions changed.

According to you, they failed to adapt because of faults in his design! Why are you trying to erase your own terminology: they were “mistakes”, “failed experiments”, “wrong decisions”. Why? Because according to you, his only aim was to design us and our food, but 99% of them were dead ends which did not lead to us and our food.

DAVID: At this point a new species must be designed. He succeeded because He could design around problems the system He chose presented.

Once more: the system he INVENTED presented problems: according to you, he did not control the environmental conditions which 99% of his designs were unable to survive because of his faulty design, which could not allow for adaptation. So you have him designing new species to cope with the new conditions. But then 99% of those also failed to survive – more mistakes and failed experiments!

DAVID: That He could use this system to reach the present with humans in charge, shows just how powerful and competent He is.

He was so powerful and competent that he was able to make one mistake/failed experiment after another, by a ratio of 99 to 1 even though, according to you, he was perfectly capable of designing species without precursors, and so he never even needed to design any of his failures anyway. And to make it even worse, he KNEW he was going to make mistakes, but still went ahead. Which parts of this theory are you now trying to disown in your “current dialogue”?

Chlamydia (transferred from “More miscellany”)

DAVID: either Chlamydia invented the protective molecule or it appeared by luck. Would God have been involved? I don't know. All unknowns.

dhw: Although this is one special case, you have provided an excellent summary of all our discussions on evolutionary innovation:
Shapiro: the cells did it. Darwin: random mutations did it. Turell: God did it. Dhw: I don’t know what did it.

DAVID: Great summary.

A nice note on which to close this post!