Return to David's theory of evolution PARTS 1 & 2 (Evolution)

by dhw, Thursday, July 21, 2022, 07:59 (854 days ago) @ David Turell

DAVID: If God designed evolution, what we see is what He wished to do.

dhw: And what we see is a higgledy-piggledy bush of life forms and econiches, the vast majority of which are extinct and had no connection with humans plus food. So he felt that in order to design humans plus food, it was necessary to design countless life forms and foods that had no connection with humans plus food, and this was the perfect way to produce humans, though this theory “makes sense only to God”. But I agree that what we see (countless life forms etc. that had no connection with humans) must be what he wished. And since the above theory makes no sense to you or to me, I suggest we look for different views of his work that might make more sense to us.

DAVID: Don't include me in your nonsense. I fully accept what God did as logical for Him and for me. I've explained the huge bush of required ecosystems providing food for all, which explains all the forms that did not lead to humans.

If it is logical for him and for you, why can’t you give us his reasons for deliberately designing countless life forms and econiches that had no connection with his one and only reason for creating life – namely, to create us and our econiches. Yes, each ecosystem provides/provided food for all those life forms within it, and PAST ecosystems were for the PAST, not the present, and most past life forms had no role to play in current life, and your theory makes sense only to God. I’m quoting your own demolition of your theory, so please stop dodging.

DAVID: God does not ever need anything for self-interest. He is complete within Himself, something you do not understand.

dhw: […] since you were once certain that he enjoyed creating and was interested in his creations, you can hardly dismiss the possibility that he wanted to created things he would enjoy creating and would be interested in.

DAVID: God is not the God you think about. He does not create as a primary purpose to have things to take interest in. His following what happens as an interest is a secondary event.

Written with great authority but, as you repeat below, all your theories and mine are nothing but “guesswork”. Now please tell us what you think was his “primary” purpose in creating humans and all the life forms and econiches that had no connection with humans.

DAVID: […] we do know He has given us brains which can think about Him and ask questions. Anything further is guesswork.
And:
He gave us brains so we could debate about Him. So we recognize Him.

dhw: EVERY theory is guesswork, including your God’s existence. So why do you think he wanted us to think about him, recognize him, and ask questions? And why do you think wanting recognition is less "human" than wanting to create something he would find interesting?

DAVID: Answered above.

Not answered above.

DAVID: Your constant interpretation of my thoughts is so twisted and lacks so much insight into my thinking it seems impossible for me to explain it, but I have tried above.

dhw: How can you possibly explain a theory which “makes sense only to God”? Please tell me which of these “interpretations of your thoughts” are twisted: 1) God’s one and only purpose was to “evolve” (= design) sapiens plus food. 2) God individually “evolved” (= designed) countless life forms and econiches that had no connection with sapiens plus food. 3) God designed some species (Cambrian) that had no precursors (i.e. that did not evolve in stages).[…]

DAVID: I accept what God did with no need to explain it to myself or you. His reasons are His alone.

dhw: […] You accused me of a twisted interpretation of your thoughts. Please say which of the above are “twisted”.

Not answered.

DAVID: dhw has always wondered why so many types of pre-sapiens were evolved. Well, this study shows exactly that is what happened.

dhw: I am not questioning that this happened! I ask why a God whose one and only purpose was to design H. sapiens plus food proceeded to design all sort of life forms unconnected with H. sapiens plus food, and also designed all sorts of hominins and homos and then discarded them, although he was apparently perfectly capable of designing new species with no precursors (Cambrian).[/b]

DAVID: God knows what He is doing, and has His own reasons for doing it the way we see. Why n ot just accept it? Or do you see better ways?

For doing what? Presumably designing humans. And there you go again, assuming that was his purpose, and that was his way of achieving its purpose, and he has his own reasons for doing what you say he did and why he did it that way, and you don’t know what those reasons could be, so please stop pretending that you “fully accept what God did as logical for Him and for me.”