Return to David's theory of evolution PART TWO (Evolution)

by David Turell , Saturday, March 25, 2023, 16:35 (395 days ago) @ dhw

PART TWO

dhw: How many other of your God’s evolutions of life do you know about? If he is the creator of all things, he invented the evolutionary process that resulted in every life form that ever existed on Earth. But why would an all-powerful God have invented a method that forced him to deliberately design species of which 99 out of 100 were irrelevant to what you say was his purpose? The answer should be that he would not have done so, and therefore your “suppositions” concerning either his purpose or his method could be wrong!

That is exactly the point you made years ago. Your doubts about why God did it that way do not negate my interpretation: He chose the method. We are an unexpected endpoint from you Darwinian point of view. Adler used my viewpoint to present his proof of God, treating evolution exactly as I do.

Abuse of language

dhw: […] One moment he watches with interest, and the next moment the words mean he’s not interested..

DAVID: I allegorically meant exactly what I wrote.

dhw: Please stop hiding behind Adler. You are sure your God enjoys creating and watches his creations with interest, and you know perfectly well what those words mean.

DAVID: I will not stop quoting Adler, my mentor in how to think about God. You exhibit no such guidance.

dhw: If you tell me you are sure your God enjoys creating and watches his creations with interest, why on earth should I accept your claim that these words don’t mean what you and I think they mean because Adler tells you how to think about God? Why do you make such statements about God if the words don’t mean what you say? You are making a mockery of language.

The words mean the same to both of us. We can debate about God in our terms, but as they apply to God they are allegorical. Pure Adler teaching!!

Common descent

dhw: Why would your all-powerful, all-knowing God, who apparently knew from the very beginning exactly what biochemistry and environment were required to fulfil his one and only goal (us and our food), have needed to “develop advanced biochemistry” and to subject himself to the limitations of environmental changes beyond his control? Could you possibly mean that he was learning more and more about how to use biochemistry as he “developed” it through his ongoing experiments? According to you, the Cambrian proved that he could create our ancestors from scratch. He didn’t need to design any of the species that preceded us. […]

DAVID: […] An all-knowing God does not need experimentation. More evidence you don't know how to think about God.

dhw: Of course an all-knowing God doesn’t need experimentation! But since experimentation would explain why he deliberately created the 99% of life forms which do not fit in with your suppositions about his purpose and his method, we are faced with the possibility that he is NOT all-knowing, and created those forms during a process of learning how to fulfil the purpose you impose on him, or of finding out the full potential of what he had invented. You yourself actually called the 99% “failed experiments” when you were promoting the theory that your marvellous designer blundered from one mistake to another with his faulty designs.

The bold shows you love to dredge up past comments, no longer applicable in this present debate. A God who invented our complex universe, developed a very special Earth, then invented life is no bumbling experimenter. You constantly ignore a precisely important point I have presented over and over. God prefers to start and then evolve!!! Big Bang, then evolution to the current form of the universe. Early Earth is not what it has presently evolved into. Started life, no mean feat, and then evolved it. Patent proof God prefers using evolutionary methods,