Return to David's theory of evolution (Evolution)

by David Turell , Tuesday, October 04, 2022, 16:38 (570 days ago) @ dhw

DAVID: My purposeful God knows exactly what He is doing and does it without your implied experimentation. God knows the proper requirements to achieve all the goals He can conceive of. At your human level of reasoning your questioning is wrong.

dhw: If God exists, I’m sure he knows what he’s doing. If he’s experimenting, I’m sure he knows he’s experimenting, and even knows why he’s experimenting. You insist he had only one goal: H. sapiens and his food. And you tell us he designed countless dead-end life forms and foods that did not lead to us and our food. Your God sounds as if he doesn’t know what he’s doing.

And I've explained the diversity of forms creates a giant ecosystem for food for all. It is your God, unsure of what He is doing, who has to experiment.

DAVID: What we see in evolution is what God knew he had to create.

dhw: Who forced him? If God exists, I would propose that what we see is what he wanted to create, and what we see…here we go again…are countless organisms and ecosystems that did not lead to H. sapiens and our food, although you insist that all he wanted to create was H. sapiens and our food.

No force involved. Those current ecosystems developed from the past are our food.

dhw: Ecosystems are created by the interplay between organisms and the environment, and they cease to exist when organisms can no longer find ways of surviving in the existing conditions. Do you agree? If so, how does this square with your God designing all of them as preparation for us and our ecosystems?

DAVID: My God created ecosystems that ended when no longer needed since the evolutionary fauna were gone.

dhw: For the umpteenth time, needed for what? The evolutionary fauna were “gone” because they could no longer survive in the prevailing conditions.

And if the fauna were gone their ecosystems were obviously no longer needed!!!

Ecosystem importance

QUOTE: " If the organisms at the very bottom were removed, all other parts of the food chain above them would collapse too," he added. (David’s bold)

DAVID: Note my bold. It covers the Darwinist fairy tale for evolution, but it contains a kernel of truth in red. Ecosystems start at their bottom and their bottoms must survive.

dhw: What fairy tale? The microcosm reflects the macrocosm: right from the beginning, evolution has progressed by organisms finding more and more ways of surviving. I have no idea why you have bolded the obvious fact that the food chain depends on the organisms at the bottom. Do you think anyone would disagree? And none of this is relevant to your theory that all extinct, dead-end organisms and ecosystems were specially designed in preparation for us and our food. Please stop using the importance and nature of ecosystems (on which there is no disagreement) as a diversion from the illogicality of your theory.

DAVID: What is illogical is your complaint that evolutionary ecosystems stopped. See above.

dhw: I have not complained that they stopped! I have explained why they “stopped”, and have pointed out that the obvious comments concerning the importance of the organisms at the bottom have nothing whatsoever to do with your illogical theory.

Your explanation of why they stopped was incomplete as noted above.