Return to David's theory of evolution PART 1 (Evolution)

by David Turell , Sunday, June 19, 2022, 16:20 (888 days ago) @ dhw

DAVID: I find your analyis totally illogical and always asked you if you want God to do direct creation for which history offers no evidence. Your tiny human logic is no match for God's choices.

dhw: Re direct creation, according to you, your God individually designed every species etc. – although there is much confusion here, because you also believe in common descent. This would mean he redesigned existing species into new ones, but apparently in the Cambrian he did no such thing: he created new species without precursors. Re humans, there is indeed clear evidence that we evolved in stages, but since you believe your God could create new species without precursors, and humans (plus food) were the only species he wanted to design from the very beginning, I ask why you think he chose to design us in stages. You have no idea. It “makes sense only to God.” How does your cluelessness make my analysis illogical?

Not clueless. You still do not follow my reasoning: God made us through stages of evolution He created. We can create a pattern of history that shows a common descent in the branches of the bush of life from simple to complex. The basis of life in its biochemistry means specialized proteins like the example neuropeptides must have precursors before specialized organs can be created to use them. A designer God can create the gaps we see in forms when the chemistry allows. As for human progression, it is mainly based on brain size and development and then full bipedalism. And yes, a dssigner God knows exactly what to do.

DAVID: How likely is chance vs an active mind? The picket fence as usual.

dhw: Since both options seem equally irrational, it requires faith to believe in either.

DAVID: The necessity for a designing mind is a very rational thought.

dhw: That is what I said in the very first sentence above (now bolded). Why have you ignored the last sentence, which describes the irrational side of your faith?

What is irrational is your clear view of design and refusal to decide a designer is required. Do you really see how complex the design is? That it is beyond chance.

Ediacaran-Cambrian transition: 410,000 years

dhw: You wrote: “We do not know how species appear or the theoretical times involved”, and you have totally ignored the argument that it is generations, not time that produce new species […]

DAVID: […]. Every species gap we have in fossils is millions of years except the Cambrian!!! Use the whale series as one example. There are many others. No examples of tiny genertional changes in fossils is ever found. All new species appear de novo. (Gould)

dhw: I’m not denying that the Cambrian explosion happened! No matter what theory you embrace, quite clearly there was a new and major development that accelerated speciation (maybe an increase in oxygen). And so in contrast to the long periods of stasis, with no innovations, the sudden change in conditions created a sudden burst of innovations. (This is what Gould called “punctuated equilibrium": periods of stasis punctuated by bursts of innovation.) And still you ignore the argument that it is generations, not time, that produce new species.

DAVID: Neat theory with NO fossil support.

dhw: You continue to ignore all the arguments that explain why a complete fossil record is highly unlikely, and you have not explained why you think it is time and not generations that produce species.

DAVID: Those arguments are no more than logical wishful guesses. I've given you an opinion from an archeologist you refuse to accept, that indicates after 170 years of studying the Camrbian Gap nothing important will be found to remove the gap.

This may well be true, and if it is, I’ve offered you a list of reasons why there may be no more fossils, but you dismiss them all because the list was written in 2019!

And three years later we find the Cambrain gap is 410,000 years in size based on existing fossil studies. What would the 2019 writers say now!

Continued in Part Two