Return to David's theory of evolution PART 2 (Evolution)

by dhw, Wednesday, June 22, 2022, 08:55 (8 days ago) @ David Turell

dhw: Once again: you have stated repeatedly that there are two ways in which your God might have designed every species, econiche, lifestyle and natural wonder (e.g. the weaverbird’s nest) as an “absolute requirement” for humans and our food: preprogramming the first cells 3.8 billion years ago with every single one of these, or direct dabbling for every single one. I don’t know why you think your God’s possible design of intelligent entities that respond to changing conditions - by adapting and inventing - sounds sillier than that.

DAVID: Responding to current conditions is species adaptation, not speciation! That is all species can do and that is not silly. Only a designing mind can create the known gaps.

Current conditions may offer opportunities that earlier conditions did not offer. One theory is that the innovations which led to new species in the Cambrian may have been triggered by an increase in oxygen. Why is that sillier than a 3.8-billion-year-old book of instructions for all speciation, or your God constantly performing operation after operation on groups of organisms to change their structures before there is any need to do so?

How did sex pop up?

dhw: So why did you say chromatin came as new biochemistry?

DAVID: Chromatin is made up from new biochemistry in a new physical form.

dhw: What do you mean by “made up from new biochemistry” if it already existed? It is an example of existing materials being used to create a new physical form – the very essence of common descent.

DAVID: As in the old neuropeptides now used in new brains.

Precisely: evolution works by finding new uses for existing materials.

Mud

DAVID: what is key to understanding this evolved process on Earth, is that this is the way God works. Everything is evolved from a beginning: the universe from the Big Bang, the Earth from its beginining, and life from its beginning. dhw has never understood this pattern in God's works, and complains about how God evolved humans, instead of direct creation.

dhw: Your usual dodge. Dhw is a firm believer in evolution. Dhw does not complain about humans evolving in stages. Dhw complains about a collection of theories which when combined are so illogical that their inventor cannot explain them and tells us that they “make sense only to God”.

DAVID: If you learned how to believe in God, it would make sense to you like the rest of us believers.

dhw: I do not accept your extraordinary claim that every believer is convinced that God’s one and only purpose from the very beginning was to design us and our food, and therefore he designed every life form, econiche, lifestyle and natural wonder – including all those that had no connection with us – as preparation and “absolute requirement” for us and our food. And I very much doubt if you would be prepared to go to a synagogue, church or mosque or even ID conference, and inform everyone that your combined theories are correct, you can’t explain them, but you know they are the only possible truth, and – while you’re at it - you know how everybody should think about God.

DAVID: If you take a survey of believers, most will be with me.

I suspect that most haven’t even thought about the subject. But your prediction still doesn’t make your combined theories of evolution anything other than senseless for all of us humans, since according to you they "make sense only to God".


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