Return to David's theory of evolution (Evolution)

by David Turell , Saturday, October 15, 2022, 20:34 (564 days ago) @ dhw

DAVID: "Absolute requirements" are your objections. Consider what you ignore: if God created all of evolution's history including all your dead ends, then God considered them required. Not my absolute requirements, God's!!

dhw: You have repeated this throughout your post, the latest in your endless list of evasions. If God exists, then I have no doubt that he created what he wanted to create. In that sense, of course whatever he created was “required” to fulfil whatever was his purpose. But that does not mean his one and only purpose was to create us and our current ecosystems! (That is the part of your theory that you keep editing out.) Quite clearly, the dead ends which did not lead to us and our current ecosystems were not absolutely “required” to fulfil the purpose of creating us and our current ecosystems, and so if he really did create the dead ends, they must have been “required” for some other purpose. When will you stop dodging?

We have to analyze God from what He created. And you are agreeing what is here is what he wanted. Now imagination sets in; what kind of God do you accept? Mine is fully purposeful. Everything He created is required and He knows all outcomes as He evolves creations. That view can be logically applied to the known history. And since very extraordinary humans arrived, we were His goal or purpose. That is Adler's teaching using evolution as I do, as God's creation. You offer a different God who also presents the same evolution but prefers entertainment, experiments, wants free-for-all evolution with no set outcome. He has the same dead ends as mine as cast aside ecosystems. You can excuse the dead ends, because your God doesn't have a definite end point. And then complain about mine because He does. Your complaint settles down to: we know He does direct creations, so why does he evolve His goals, which in evolution involve all sorts of side branches? We cannot ask Him, nor can we know His reasoning. What we do know is everything He creates, He has evolved. Evolution is His choice of action. Nothing I have presented is illogical.

DAVID: I don't need to know His reasoning. Neither do you.

dhw: Agreed. But I do need to know your reasoning, and if you offer me a theory that makes no sense to you or to me, I don’t think it is in any way out of order for me to challenge it, or to suggest alternatives that do make sense even to you.

My reasoning is presented logically above.