Return to David's theory of evolution PARTS 1 & 2 (Evolution)

by David Turell , Thursday, April 14, 2022, 16:26 (952 days ago) @ dhw
edited by David Turell, Thursday, April 14, 2022, 16:42

dhw: Without food, all life stops. That does not mean that all life forms and foods for 3.X thousand million years were specially designed as preparation for humans and our food! You know it’s nonsense.

What is not nonsense is my view God designed every stage of evolution. Did you forget that?

dhw: I have offered you several alternatives, each of which you agreed was logical, but each of which you rejected on the grounds that although your God probably has thought patterns, emotions and logic similar to ours, he doesn’t have thought patterns, emotions and logic similar to ours.

No! I have simply told you your humanized God and the theories related to Him are not acceptable to me

DAVID: God never requires experimentation. He designs directly.

dhw: You have just agreed that he did NOT design directly: the “only other alternative is direct creation, which is not supported by history”. You can’t explain it. Experimentation can.

This comment makes no sense to me. Direct design of humans with no precursors is not the history we have

DAVID: Evolution by God was not experimentation but carefully planned evolution.

dhw: You have just told us he designs directly after telling us he does not design directly. Experimentation would explain why – in your theory – he deliberately designed life forms which did not lead – in your theory – to his one and only goal. “Carefully planned evolution” can hardly match the higgledy-piggledy comings and goings of countless life forms and foods that did not lead to his one and only goal.

So now you know better than God how to evolve us. Who is at the top of the evolutionary bush?

dhw: You harp on about the existing system, and I ask why he chose it. You guess that he couldn’t avoid the “errors” (which makes him less than all-powerful),whereas I propose that he created what he wanted to create: a system in which the components were free to find their own ways of surviving.>

DAVID:I don't harp on it, I defend it. As for your distortion in bold, God chose the only system that would work and knew errors were probable because of the high-speed requirement. Very accurate editing systems He designed work wonderfully watching over trillions of reactions per nanosecond. It is a wonder and you despise it.

dhw: The distortion is entirely yours. I do not despise it. I only question your claim that an all-powerful God had no choice, and that his system produced errors he could not control. Instead, I suggest that he designed precisely what he wanted to design.

Exactly! He designed precisely what He wanted studying all problems in advance recognizing possible errors by free reacting molecules at very high speeds.

DAVID: God designed the only system that would work, NO choice involved.

dhw: Three days ago, you wrote: “I think he devised a system from scratch consciously making choices and came up with the best in his view. ” These contradictions are inevitable when you try to defend theories which don’t make sense even to you.

My theories make perfect sense to me. I don't play games