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by dhw, Friday, October 14, 2022, 11:42 (769 days ago) @ David Turell

DAVID: The point you miss is if God is in charge and designed our evolution, all that pre-existed us in history was purposefully created by Him!! All dead ends were ecosystems no longer needed, by-passed by progress in new forms and their different needs. God knew humans would take charge of Earth, grow to a huge population and need extensive ecosystems to supply enough food. The huge bush of life is that supply. See ecosystem entry yesterday to make the point. your complaint is an empty barrel of distorted invention.

You are repeating bits of your theory, and as usual leaving out the sections that make your theory illogical: you believe that he purposefully created everything that pre-existed us, you accept that this included dead ends that led nowhere and were replaced by different organisms and ecosystems with different needs, but – the bit you fail to mention – you insist that all of the dead ends that did not lead to us and our food were specially designed as “absolute requirements” in preparation for us and our food! Yes, we need extensive ecosystems to supply our food, but what you cannot understand is why he “evolved” all the dead ends that preceded us and our ecosystems, and why he “evolved” us in stages, if he was capable of direct creation – which you insist he was (see all your entries concerning the Cambrian). There is no “distorted invention” on my part. I keep quoting you, and you keep ignoring half the quotes. You even admit that your theories “make sense only to God”, and “what is known only to God is why he chose to evolve us over direct creation.” Since your combined theories do not make sense to you, please stop blaming me for pointing out why!

DAVID: I don't need to know his reasoning. Neither do you.

Agreed. But I do need to know your reasoning, and if you offer me a theory that makes no sense to you or to me, I don’t think it is in any way out of order for me to challenge it, or to suggest alternatives that do make sense even to you.

Tardigrades

DAVID: more amazing facts about Tardigrades. Why were they created? They fit a role in an ecosystem.

dhw: More fascinating facts about nature, spoilt only by your constant attempts to make sense of your nonsensical theory of evolution. Now instead of your God setting out with the single purpose of designing humans and our ecosystems, you have decided that God started out with the aim of creating ecosystems! This explains why he created all the life forms and organisms that had no connection with his previous purpose, because of course every organism that ever lived was part of an ecosystem!

DAVID: Please finally accept it: all life is in an ecosystem!!!

Of course I accept that all life always was and always will “fit a role in an ecosystem”. Please finally accept that much of past life and many past ecosystems were dead ends that have no role in OUR life and OUR ecosystems, although you insist that they were ALL specially designed as part of and essential to his plan to evolve us and our food!

Balance of nature

DAVID: Our food supply depends in part on wild animals, especially fish. As the human population grows, loss of any animals accentuates the problem of food supply.

I am in total agreement.

DAVID: dhw throws all of this problem into his derisive 'human plus food' discussion of God's real approach to create us by an evolutionary process. The intricate balance from the bush of life is not simply 'food'. It forms it own intricate balances.

Yet again: I attack your theory that your God individually created every extinct life form and ecosystem which did not lead to or have any role to play in the evolution of us and our food, but that they were all an “absolute requirement” in preparation for the fulfilment of his one and only purpose: to create us and our food. Please stop pretending that my criticism of this illogical theory means I don’t accept the importance of ecosystems and of the balance of nature. You have agreed that your theory “makes sense only to God”, i.e. not to yourself, so once again, please don’t blame me for your belief in a theory that doesn’t make sense to you.