Return to David's theory of evolution (Evolution)

by dhw, Saturday, November 05, 2022, 07:40 (536 days ago) @ David Turell

DAVID: Preceding evolution to the Cambrian gap developed the necessary underlying biochemical systems to support the multi organ Cambrians. Also, the Earth's climate was evolving more oxygen in the atmosphere, as previously presented. Evolution is not stop and go but a continuous process of development from the past.

dhw: I agree. That is why it is illogical to claim that your all-powerful God’s one and only purpose from the very beginning was to design us and our food supply, and yet he “had to” to design countless life forms and ecosystems both before and after the Cambrian that had no connection with us and our food supply. Your "continuous development" leads to dead ends even after the Cambrian (e.g our friend the brontosaurus), and the only species relevant to us and our food came out of the blue after 3.X billion years' worth of what you therefore believe were also dead ends, since none of them were our predecessors.

DAVID: You agree to what. You say, 'I agree' and run right back to your illogical dissection of evolution, as unrelated dead ends. Where did our enormous ecosystem providing our food supply come from?

It evolved from those branches of evolution which were NOT dead ends. According to you, those were all life forms that sprang from nowhere during the Cambrian, although many of those life forms (e.g. the dinosaurs) were also dead ends. My totally conventional proposal is that all life forms and their ecosystems, including ours and all the dead ends, evolved from Darwin’s original few forms or one.

dhw: In one breath you tell us that evolution is a continuous process, and in the next breath you announce that there are “gaps” (the Cambrian) when your God started it all afresh.

DAVID: The Cambrian gap was first noted by your beloved Darwin.

dhw: That does not explain the contradictions in your theory.

DAVID: There are no contradictions in design theory. A break in continuity of phenotypic forms, as Edicaran to Cambrian is evidence of design, not an aberration as you view it.

You cannot claim that there is a continuous line from the first life forms to us and our ecosystems and at the same time claim that we and our ecosystems are descended from a line of life forms and ecosystems that had no predecessors!

DAVID: Same answer. With God is charge, He chose to evolve us from Archaea, well before the Cambrian gap appeared.

dhw: Same answer. If your God exists, according to you he chose to evolve us and our food supply from species which he designed WITHOUT PREDECESSORS. [Addendum: so according to you, we could not have evolved from Archaea.]

DAVID: With God as designer no predecessors needed!!! That is the WHOLE point of this discussion. You cannot invert it to your purposes.

dhw: It is indeed the whole point! In one breath you tell us that all the dead ends were needed, and in the next breath you tell us they weren’t needed! We evolved from Archaea, but we didn't evolve from Archaea!

DAVID: I never said the dead ends were not needed!!! Your last sentence again shows you slicing up evolution into discontinuous parts. Without Archaea, no evolution, no humans.

I agree with your last sentence. But it is you who slice evolution up into discontinuous parts when you say that we and our ecosystems are descended from 37 phyla which your God created without predecessors! “With God as designer no predecessors needed!!!” – So you say we are not descended from Archaea, and none of the preceding life forms were needed for the creation of the species which you claim were your God’s one and only purpose! They were dead ends!