Return to David's theory of evolution (Evolution)

by David Turell , Saturday, August 20, 2022, 18:54 (824 days ago) @ dhw

DAVID: All of evolution produced a giant bush of life that is a series of interconnected ecosystems that provide food all, not just humans!!!

dhw: Precisely. The history of life is also the history of ecosystems that provided food for the organisms that lived at any particular time, and even our current ecosystems are not geared solely to the production of food for humans. And that is why it is illogical to claim that every ecosystem, extant and extinct, was specially designed by your God as part of his one and only goal, and as an “absolute requirement”, in preparation for the evolution (= design) of humans and our food, although the vast majority had no connection with us and our food. Please stop dodging!

Your usual complaint. I view the entire Earth and its inhabitants as serving our needs. You still slice up Evolution and its results. In the world of thinkers there are splitters and there are lumpers. I lu mp, you split.

Human migration

DAVID: I'm sure dhw will notice the effect of necessary food sources driving the migration. And then poo-poo the importance of humans and their food.

dhw: Humans are important to humans, and food is important for ALL forms of life, including humans. What I “poopoo”, as you know only too well, is the illogical theory bolded above. Please stop dodging!

Stop splitting!!!

DAVID: Don't you realize my point? Your very human God allows you to create very human suppositions about how your humanlike God works His purposes. On that basis of course they are logical.

Why is it always “very” human?

Because your God directly seeks entertainment, especially free-for-alls, has to experiment, suddenly decides to change course, and you claim He is not very human. There is no sense of directionality and clear purpose a proper form of God should have.

dhw: I keep pointing out all the possible “human” attributes you ascribe to your God (enjoyment of and interest in creating and creations, his desire for recognition and for a relationship with us, his kindness, his love, his single-mindedness in the pursuit of his goal – in direct conflict with the fact that he designed countless life forms and foods that did not lead to his goal – and so on).

God's personal view of His works are a minor aspect of how to look at God. You have to emphasize those, because you have no real response to my criticisms of your humanized God.

dhw: But when I repeat some of these, and when I offer logical explanations of evolutionary history, you turn your back on the logic because they entail “human” attributes! You even agree that we “mimic” him in certain ways, but you never respond to the argument that it is perfectly feasible for a creator to imbue his creations with some of his own attributes.

I have certainly with the bold in the past, remember?

DAVID: Same old trope, off subject of cell intelligence!!! Tor cell intelligence I have all the ID folks agreeing with me, led by many PH.D. doing active science research on the subject.

dhw: You dismissed the theory as “purely hyperbolic descriptions”, and I have every right to point out that there are scientists in the field who disagree with you and with your ID-ers.

And you picked out some old scientists on Google and blew up Shapiro out of proportion because from your rigid point of view cell must be highly intelligent and design new species at will, all to avoid God.