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by David Turell , Sunday, August 28, 2022, 15:32 (606 days ago) @ dhw

dhw: There is no dispute over the fact that ecosystems are a kind of web, or that they can and do decline! You are focusing on something indisputable in order to distract attention from your illogical theory that your God designed 3.X billion years’ worth of life forms and ecosystems, most of which did not lead to sapiens and our current ecosystems, although you believe every single one of them was an “absolute requirement” designed in preparation for sapiens and our current ecosystems.

Since the past produces/evolves the present, the past forms are required. They all produce the current food webs/ecosystems

dhw: It is your accusation that I “distort” the importance of human damage to our ecosystems that is daft. And yes, our webs came from past evolution, but that does not mean that every single extinct web in the history of evolution was preparation for and “part of the goal of evolving [= designing] humans” and our food. Please stop dodging!

I'm not dodging. Study the articles.

Secondhand design (taken from “Savannah theory fading”)

DAVID: Secondhand design is a cumbersome mess, that you don't seem to understand. You've never tried it and I have with firsthand experience. […]

dhw: You are comparing your method of design to God’s, and it is a total mismatch. You have one plan, and you implement it directly. Then you say that is the efficient way to do it, and so he would not have “delegated” design to other minds (intelligent cells). But although you say that like you, your God had one plan, he did NOT implement it directly! He designed countless life forms that had no connection with his “plan”, and he did not even design his “endpoint” (sapiens) directly, but did countless twiddles before finally getting rid of all the irrelevant twiddles and hominins and homos that were not sapiens. It is all the diversions from your proposed “plan” that (a) you cannot explain, and (b) suggest he is not a Turell, and (c) are logically explained by my alternative theories.

DAVID: God's creation pattern is to evolve all forms stepwise: the universe from the BB, the Earth from its origin, life from its start to final sapiens from Erectus, etc. It is perfectly obvious pattern.

dhw: I’m not disputing stepwise evolution! I’m disputing your equation of your own single-minded, “firsthand” design of a single plan with what you believe to be your God’s countless “firsthand” designs which had no connection with what you believe to have been his single plan but which can be explained by my alternative theories.

I know about your imagined theories which fit a humanized God.

DAVID: Your point now bolded is refuted by the studies I have quoted.

dhw: Those studies deal with the interconnectedness of ecosystems and the damage we are causing. They do NOT tell us that every extinct life form and ecosystem led to H. sapiens and our ecosystems, and THAT is the basis of your theories that “make sense only to God”. If you disagree, please tell us which of them “make sense only to God” and therefore not to you.

Of course, many branches of evolution did not lead to humans but to the necessary food webs we all recognize. All part of a necessary arrangement. I accept it all as God's plan, noting God evolves all His creations for His own reasons.