Return to David's theory of evolution (Evolution)

by David Turell , Saturday, March 11, 2023, 18:46 (405 days ago) @ dhw

DAVID: But failure induces the need for improvement with God's new designs.

dhw: So does your God create 99% brand new species from scratch? It is the 1% of survivors that he can improve on! Or do you think the mistakes teach him what needs to be improved? No, your God never learns anything, does he? He knows it all in advance, including the fact that he is going to make 99 mistakes for every one success!

Weird interpretation as usual. Yes, God builds on past biochemistry and forms. Repeat: limited adaptability means God steps in to provide better adapted species by speciation.

DAVID: […] Environmental changes are uncontrolled.>

DAVID: […] GOD CHOSE TO EVOLVE US IN STAGES!!!!

dhw: [According to you] he did not start evolving us in our stages until the Cambrian, when he created our ancestors (plus food) de novo, from scratch, without any predecessors! So all previous organisms were unnecessary.

DAVID: But the advanced biochemistry in the Edicaran had to be accomplished. You always forget two interlocked levels of evolution: biochemical and phenotypical.

dhw: here is no logical reason why an all-powerful God should have to create countless species that had no connection with his one and only purpose, when he could simply have waited for the right conditions to develop the species – biochemical and phenotypical – he wanted to develop. So maybe he had a different purpose in creating the irrelevant species. (Why do you keep avoiding the word species?)

So, God is illogical in your view. But evolution is what God created! In my view that God created all of reality we cannot know why He chose to use living evolution. Is your view that the illogical creation form means no God can have caused it?

Bipedalism

dhw: The just-so story was your God operating on our ancestors’ backs and legs BEFORE they left the trees. You have no idea how God does any speciation, but you have two ideas (see 1) and 2) above). We both reject Darwin’s random mutations. You refuse to consider Shapiro’s intelligent cells.

DAVID: Yep! Free living bacteria are not the same as multicellular cells!!! Evolution evolved away from that ability.

dhw: You have agreed that multicellular cells seem to act intelligently. How do you know they don’t?

DAVID: The automaticity of cellular biochemistry is obvious.

dhw: Many actions are automatic, but you leave out those that precede and direct the automatic ones:
Shapiro: “Living cells and organisms are cognitive (sentient) entities that act and
interact purposefully to ensure survival, growth and proliferation. They possess sensory,
communication, information-processing and decision-making capabilities.” No need for me to quote the rest of his list, since you quoted it all in your book The Atheist Delusion. His description is supported by numerous scientists in the field – both past and present.

I know Shapiro's theory. Pure extrapolation from his marvelous bacterial studies.

How B-cells recognize antigens

DAVID: The B cell membrane will decode the foreign molecule which is attached to it and either recognize it is an antigen it knows from its library, or it will activate a new antibody all automatically.

dhw: All these actions confirm Shapiro’s observations. But it’s still a theory, as is your “automatically”.

Shapiro found bacteria can edit their own DNA. Not the same as the superficial level of recognizing foreign antigens on B cells membrane!!