Return to David's theory of evolution PARTS 1 & 2 (Evolution)

by dhw, Tuesday, February 15, 2022, 08:09 (795 days ago) @ David Turell

DAVID: Once again you wish God to be humanly logical. How is that logical? To quote Adler, God is a personage like no other person from "How to Think about God"

dhw: Nobody could possibly imagine that a God who creates a universe and life is just like any “other person”! But calling him a “personage” (another word for person) is in perfect keeping with your own belief that “He and we probably have similar thought patterns and emotions beyond just simple logic”, and “All we can be sure of is logic on his part”, and the fact that you are “sure we mimic him in many ways”. .

Unfortunately, you seem to have missed this reply to the above.

dhw: I can only repeat that I’m more inclined to believe a theory that makes sense to me than one that requires the theorist himself to abandon the human logic which leads him to believe in God (design theory - one up for human logic) but also leads him to give up trying to understand his own theory (one down for human logic).

DAVID: I understand my theory perfectly. You simply refuse to accept it as rational, but that means you don't understand a person can rationally accept faith in God and what He does is correct.

You have no idea why your God, whose one and only purpose apparently was to design humans plus their food, proceeded to design countless forms of life and food that had no connection with humans and their food, you renounce human logic, tell me to ask God, and elsewhere tell us you “can simply accept it as necessary, and more research will tell us why”. You don’t know why, and yet you say you “understand your theory perfectly”!

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DAVID: The adaptations in the whole whale series requires intense design. How can a whale deep dive without having the phenotypic changes to do that from the whale's beginning?

dhw: It can’t deep dive from the very beginning! Only when it begins to attempt deep diving will the cells adapt to the new requirements. Just as legs won’t turn into flippers until the pre-whale lives in the water. What is your theory? Did God pop in one night and operate on a few whales to engineer the “phenotypic changes”, and they woke up next morning realizing that now, yippee, they could go deep diving?

DAVID: My usual response: God makes species by design. I've been swimming under water since childhood, no gills have appeared. Your faith in cell capacity for speciation is sheer phantasy, based on extreme extrapolation of the real fact, cells act as if intelligent.

I have a strong suspicion that since childhood you may have occasionally come out from under the water. I’m afraid sneering at alternative theories (cellular intelligence is only one of them) does not make your own theory any the more credible. Is my above version of your theory correct? Or do you think that 3.8 billion years ago your God provided the first cells with a programme for deep diving phenotypic changes, along with the rest of the “whale series”, along with every other species and natural wonder for the rest of time? Please give a straight answer.

dhw: Humans are the result of one line or branch of past stages, not “all”. Thousands of other branches led to thousands of other life forms, most of which never had any connection with humans or with our food. Hence the illogicality of your theory […]

DAVID: The connection is the huge requirement for a food supply. You admit it must exist and then try to diminish its importance. All the ecosystems layer one upon the next to support the need for consuming energy.

dhw: The fact that ALL life forms need food does not prove that humans are the result of ALL past stages of ALL life forms and econiches in the history of life, including ALL those that had no connection with humans!!!!!

DAVID: Humans need food not connections to all the bush. Humans evolved in their line didn't they?

dhw: Yes, humans evolved in their own line. Thank you for echoing my response to the absurd notion that ALL lines and ALL food bushes were designed as “part of the goal of evolving humans” and their food, although most of them had no connection with humans and their food!

DAVID: All I accept is God ran evolution properly to fill all requirements, one of which is enough food for all.

What you “accept” is your own theory, which is illogical by human standards, but which apparently you “understand perfectly”, although you have no idea why he would have done what you think he did in order to achieve what you think was his purpose, but more research will tell us why.