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by dhw, Saturday, December 17, 2022, 09:47 (705 days ago) @ David Turell

dhw: If your God’s ONLY purpose was us plus food, according to YOU, his form of evolution is a total mess.

DAVID: Your definition of God's evolution is the hole in the doughnut. Evolution must destroy to advance to more adapted, more complex forms. 99% of forms are gone, and have to be.

All of a sudden, evolution is running evolution. I thought your God was in charge. Anyway, 99% of the forms he has deliberately designed must be destroyed, so that he can design the more adapted, more complex forms which he will create out of those that have NOT been destroyed. And this leaves you, as usual, with the problem of why your God bothered to specially design those that he would NOT need in order to design the more adapted, more complex forms. Your explanation is that they were your God’s mistakes, failed experiments, wrong choices, as a result of which “He is responsible for all the messy aspects of evolution. Yes, He is. The whole of evolution is a messy process of successes and failures. “ If he is responsible for the mess, then he is responsible for the mess!

DAVID: I'll stick with (1) but interpret your distortions differently: any evolution, biological or otherwise is messy. In the biological form, everyone must eat, so there is competition and Darwin's survival of the fittest, creating dead ends of less fit.

dhw: What “distortions”? I’m pleased to see you supporting Darwin, and even more pleased that you are now supporting my proposal of experimentation, which you have vehemently excluded in the past. So we now have your God wanting to create a being like himself, not knowing initially how to do it and therefore designing all kinds of creatures to see whether they will eventually become what he’s aiming for. I wouldn’t use your vocabulary (messy, mistakes, wrong choices, failures) but I understand your doing so, and this very humanized vision you now have of your God offers you a clear explanation for the history of evolution as we know it.

DAVID: God may produce variations as He designed evolution, but many were destined for failure which is the way evolution works. But these variations always on the same road to humans. The goal never changed. Some of Darwin is worth using. Real expeirmentation never was a process.

Again, why do you keep talking about the way evolution works? According to you, God controls evolution, so this is the way God works! So once again, according to you he specially designed all the “variations” which were NOT “on the road” to his unchanging goal (us and our food). They were his “mistakes”. I have no idea what your last sentence means. According to your previous post, God experimented in order to achieve his goal, and on the way he made lots of mistakes. What’s the problem?

dhw: Thank you again for accepting my theory of experimentation. Perhaps that will enable us to put an end to this long-drawn-out discussion, except that the “more miscellany thread” threatens to prolong it.

DAVID: Don't thank me. God does not experiment for the sake of finding a new way. He knows exactly where He is going and how to get there. There must be a food-supplying ecosystem at all times and when no long necessary those organisms fade away along with the top predators.

You don’t need to experiment if you already know exactly where you are going and how to get there! You are making nonsense of language. And you know it, because you tell us that your God’s evolution is a mess of mistakes, wrong choices, and FAILED EXPERIMENTS!