Return to David's theory of evolution PARTS 1 & 2 (Evolution)

by dhw, Wednesday, August 03, 2022, 11:15 (841 days ago) @ David Turell

dhw: But all past bushes were not specially designed as “absolute requirements” for us and our food, and that is what makes nonsense of your theory that your God’s one and only purpose from the beginning was to create us and our food! Stop dodging!

DAVID: Humans arrived on their special branch, but they became custodians of the Earth and developed to an enormous population. God knew this would obviously happen so all the other branches had to be developed for ecosystems of food. Purely excellent designing for the preordained future. The dodge is yours in not understanding and rejecting this view.

You simply go on refusing to accept the obvious truths which you summed up yourself, and which you confirm every time I repeat the quotes: “The current bush of food is NOW for humans NOW. There were smaller bushes in the PAST for PAST forms”, and “extinct life has no role in current time.” If God’s one and only purpose was to create humans plus their food, why according to you did he individually design all the life forms and ecosystems that had no connection with humans plus our food, as an “absolute requirement” in preparation for us and our food? You agree that you don’t know why. Your theory “makes sense only to God.” So please stop contradicting yourself so that we can put an end to this constant repetition.

I asked what you thought was your God’s “primary purpose" in creating humans.

DAVID: We are here so He wanted to create us. His obvious purpose must include that we will recognize His existence. Other purposes are all guesswork.

dhw: Countless numbers of life forms were here that had no connection with humans plus our food, and so according to you he must have wanted to create them. Why, if his only purpose was to create us plus our food? And why do you think his desire to be recognized is less “human” than enjoyment of creating things that will interest him?

DAVID: We do not know if God wanted recognition. What I am sure of is that my God does creates without any self-interest, while yours does.

Once upon a time, you were also sure that he enjoyed creating, and watched his creations with interest. Now apparently his obvious purpose – as bolded above – must include our recognition of him, but we don’t know if he wanted recognition. We don’t know anything, and your certainty that he had no self-interest in creating life contradicts your past certainties, and has no greater validity than any other guesses about his nature.

De novo forms

QUOTE: "'The ancient, common origin of all these plate-like structures [in arthropods] suggests the gene networks that pattern these structures are very evolvable and plastic. They are capable of generating an awesome amount of diversity," Bruce says." (dhw's bold)

I see this statement as 100% compatible with the theory that as conditions have changed, cells/cell communities have used their evolvable plasticity to cope with or exploit them, thus generating the enormous diversity of species that characterizes the past and present history of life on Earth.

DAVID: the other alternative from this strained Darwinian approach is that this looks just like a designed process. The future changes carefully built into the beginning.

dhw: Why “strained”? The evolvability and plasticity of cells must have been built into their original form, or evolution would never have taken place! Whether God designed the first cells or not is one question. The other is how cells are able to use this flexibility. Your statement above suggests that your God preprogrammed those first cells with every life form etc. that has ever existed (you seem to have dispensed with dabbling) – according to you, inexplicably including all those that had no connection with sapiens plus food. I prefer the theory that they used their perhaps God-given intelligence to do their own designing.

DAVID: I know your preferences.

And you continue to promote your own theories, which are self-contradictory and apparently comprehensible only to your God.