More miscellany Parts One & Two (Evolution)

by David Turell , Thursday, September 26, 2024, 22:07 (56 days ago) @ dhw

Disordered proteins (and glue your predator)

DAVID: How about accepting the reason for mistakes? Do you understand what I present about the biochemistry of life?

dhw: Of course: life as God designed it cannot exist without the potential for mistakes. Do you understand why this could indicate that your God created a free-for-all, and why his vain efforts to correct the mistakes and his consequent need to be helped by us humans contradict the view that he is omnipotent and omniscient?

NO contradiction. God designed the only form that can work from His omniscience and omnipotence. You have not accepted or rebutted this major point.

DNA hunts pathogens

DAVID: God did give immune system cells many defenses to use. If God started life with cells, why shouldn't He design them to do their immunity job? I agree, if they fail, it is not God's fault.

dhw: This sounds like a very grudging acceptance that your God may have given cells the autonomous ability to change themselves as and when new threats arise. If he has to dabble each new “cure”, then of course it is he who fails and not the cells.

DAVID: God gave the cells full instructions no current dabbling needed.

dhw: So 3.8 billion years ago, your God gave cells full instructions on how to defend themselves against every single threat they would encounter for the rest of life’s history. And it’s entirely his fault if and when his instructions fail.

Again a distortion. It 1s not God's fault if the immune cells fail.

Early mammalian evolution

QUOTE: "These findings suggest that mammalian ancestors experimented with different jaw functions, leading to the evolution of 'mammalian' traits independently in various lineages. The early evolution of mammals, it turns out, was far more complex and varied than previously understo

DAVID: mammals are very different unique branch of evolution that led to us. What was the natural necessity that drove these developments? There is none that is obvious. Still an evidence for design with purpose.

dhw: New findings are continually changing our knowledge of life’s history. Meanwhile, your question becomes all the more pertinent if you apply it to your theory of evolution: what was the necessity that drove your all-powerful, all-knowing God to perform all these experiments if his one and only goal was to design us and our food? And do you accept the term “experiments” in the context of your “design with purpose”.

God experimented by choosing evolution as His method and to achieve His purpose.. You constantly bring up my point of view. And constantly refuse to recognize God carefully supplied humans with all their needs.

Biochemical controls

DAVID: as previously discussed in theodicy threads, there are built-in correction processes. Obviously, they are not perfect. I think this is the best God could do.

dhw: So your perfect, omniscient, omnipotent, first-cause designer God is not perfect, omniscient or omnipotent after all.

Again missed the point. From above: 'God designed the only form that can work from His omniscience and omnipotence. You have not accepted or rebutted this major point.' Can you try to?