More miscellany Parts One & Two (Evolution)

by David Turell , Thursday, October 24, 2024, 02:04 (28 days ago) @ dhw

Cancer and cellular autonomy

DAVID: In general cells act automatically under God's instructions for all needs. Cells cannot.

dhw: “In general” allows for some with autonomy, as you illustrate with cancer cells. “Cells cannot” is your opinion. Many scientists disagree.

Name any studying cancer use of DNA to support you. I can't.

Sponges collect molybdenum

dhw: And that requires intelligence.

DAVID: I think it can be due to automatic responses.

dhw: Why would your God have to preprogramme/dabble such relationships in order to design us plus our food?

You miss the entire concept of ecosystems providing what humans need.

DAVID:[…] We invite the bugs in to help us but it is not a one-way event. We must carefully screen both the bacteria and what they produce.

dhw: I don’t know why you say “we”. I don’t invite bugs, and I don’t screen anything. The quote informs me that some cells pass on information about different foreign substances, and other cells decide what to do about them. It all sounds very much like intelligent cooperation between different members of the cell community.

You do invite, like it or not. We all do.

Ecosystem importance: damage to nitrogen fixation
(Discussion repeated under “insects and spiders”, so I've cut it.)

DAVID: […] […] Every oddity I present here is an important part of the overall system. Nothing is unimportant, which dhw should note when he derides something.

dhw: You are incorrigible. I am just as aware as you are of the fact that we humans are wrecking the ecosystems on which we and other life forms depend for our existence. My objection is to your theory that your God created every species, ecosystem, natural wonder etc. that ever existed for the sole purpose of creating us and our food. Even within our present ecosystems, I do not believe your God specially designed the weaverbird’s nest or did so solely for our use, […] because without it, the human world would come to an end. Multiply the example by a few million.

DAVID: […] Nitpicking on a tiny irrelevant point of one tiny ecosystem, not seeing the whole.

dhw: You didn’t notice “multiply the example by a few million”. You agree that we and our food are not descended from 99.9% of creatures that ever lived, but only from 0.1%, and yet you think every past species and ecosystem was created for the sole purpose of creating us and our food, although your God may not have had any purpose at all! Total confusion!

Sorry you are confused.