Return to David's theory of evolution PARTS 1 & 2 (Evolution)

by David Turell , Friday, February 11, 2022, 15:22 (1014 days ago) @ dhw

DAVID: Your blindness to God's choice of His method is my issue. We both picture the other as wrong. I'll leave it at that if you will also.

dhw: It’s impossible to do so when in post after post you continue to refer directly or indirectly to your rigid belief that your God chose your “roundabout” method of achieving what you rigidly believe to have been his goal. Why am I “blind” if you can’t understand the illogical combination of purpose and method you impose on your God?

I'm sorry you are so illogical, while I will pursue my points. Your reasoning about God's actions is purely from a 'what a thinking human would logically do'. God is not required to be humanly logical.

dhw: Another illogical part of your theory is the claim that speciation takes place IN ANTICIPATION of changing conditions. You have, however, proceeded to give us plenty of examples that show the converse is true.

Oxygen and the Cambrian: gills appeared

dhw: You’ve got it. Oxygen first, innovations in response.

DAVID: The free oxygen had to come first. So God provided photosynthesis as a first evolutionary step. God anticipates His needs.

dhw: You yourself are not sure to what extent your God manipulates the environmental changes – local and universal – but no matter what he “provides”, even in your theory, speciation only takes place AFTER conditions have changed. Or do you still believe that he changed legs to flippers BEFORE pre-whales entered the water?

I would reason flippers appeared while mammals were paddling around in water.

dhw: What’s more, new finds are being made all the time, and some of them fill in gaps.

DAVID: Findings now fill only minor skips in specific individual lines. See Bechly entry on fossil finding reaching endpoints. (Wednesday, January 01, 2020, 18:23 & 2020-07-08, 22:45

dhw: What is the thread name, please? Or just give us a quote. Meanwhile, I can only repeat that it’s a miracle ANY fossils survive from hundreds of millions of years ago. And the more rapid the process of speciation (e.g. in times of major environmental changes), the fewer fossils there will be.

Pure wishful thinking. Bechly points out the real facts you are ignoring to protect your pet rigid approaches: Early in exploration many fossils are found, filling gaps, but at a later point less and less are found to fill continuity until paleontologists recognize a gap exists. Think Gould's point.

Mass extinctions relate to volcanos

dhw: As with your theory that your God pursues his only purpose by not pursuing his only purpose, and you don’t know why but you won’t budge, here you agree that conditions must change before these new species can appear, but you stick to your theory that species appear before conditions change.

DAVID: Your usual error. Not responding to new conditions, but preparing for new conditions or as in our brain handling new, never seen before uses.

dhw:What do you mean by “preparing” for new conditions? Once again, are you still saying that your God operated on prewhales to give them flippers to flap until it was time for them to enter the water? Or he gave a bunch of humans 200 cc worth of extra brain cells to lie around in their bigger skulls for a couple of hundred thousand years doing nothing?

Those extra neurons ae doing a lot more now than 315,000 years ago.