Return to David's theory of evolution (Evolution)

by David Turell , Friday, August 26, 2022, 00:12 (819 days ago) @ dhw

DAVID: I accept God's historical works in our recorded history. My analyses then try to understand why God did it that way. They make sense to me. if not to you.

dhw: You may try to analyse why he would have fulfilled his one and only purpose by designing countless life forms and foods that had no connection with his purpose, but you cannot find a single reason, and therefore you tell us that your theories “make sense only to God”, i.e. not to you. Please stop dodging.

I have given you the food supply reason and you reject it illogically. They make perfect sense to me.

DAVID: No, He is not that human. He doesn't create out of self-interest.

dhw:vHow do you know? In any case, "self-interest" means you only care about yourself, and that is very different from creating things you enjoy creating and find interesting. We may want to have children because we like the idea of parenthood, but that doesn’t mean we only care about ourselves. If your God is loving, maybe he created life because he liked the idea of having something to love. Would you dismiss that as “self-interest”?

I can see it as self-interest. Adler thinks He cares about us at the 50/50 level of possibility. Which means we cannot know.

dhw: Correct. So please stop assuming that your illogical conjectures must be true and none of my logical alternatives can possibly be true because you are a believer and I am an agnostic.

DAVID: You refuse to accept my reasoning that all of the past leads to the giant current bush of food supply. What you are constantly doing is separating the past from now!!!

dhw: Once more, please stop hiding behind vague generalizations. Yes, the past leads to the present, and we and our food have evolved from past life forms and foods. But you admit yourself that “ALL” of the past (i.e. the vast majority of extinct life forms and bushes) does NOT lead to the current bush of food supply.

I have always said all the past bushes form the current bush of food supply. Why do you distort again!

dhw: I have no idea what gives you the right to assume that my theories are “false assumptions” when nobody can possibly know the truth about your God’s personality (if he exists).

DAVID: I have every right to disagree with your designed personality of God.

dhw: Of course you do, just as I have every right to disagree with your own “designed” personality of God. However, you actually agree with me that your God wouldn’t create if he didn’t enjoy creating, and you are equally certain that he is interested in his creations. And so I find it incomprehensible that you should consider it impossible that he might create BECAUSE he enjoys creating and BECAUSE he wants to create things he will find interesting.

Self-interesting aspects of His creations do not drive my form of my God's personality.