Return to David's theory of evolution (Evolution)

by David Turell , Wednesday, January 03, 2024, 17:45 (115 days ago) @ dhw

DAVID: Allegorical meaning must be used in discussions of God. Ask any true theologian.

dhw: I don’t know what qualifications one needs in order to be a “true” theologian, but it makes no difference. YOU mean the same as I do, and so YOU believe he enjoys creating and is interested in his creations - no further definition necessary. And this offers us a perfectly credible purpose for creating the history of life as we know it. Thank you.

I have read theological theory and teachings in how to think about God. But we do understand each other.

dhw: The first of my alternative theories has him experimenting in order to find the right formula for a being in his own image. The other two alternatives have him 1) purposefully “progressing” through new ideas and discoveries, and 2) endowing his invention with the means of “progressing”. [...]

DAVID: God does not discover.

dhw: How the heck do you know?

DAVID: By definition. God is all-knowing.

dhw: That is not a definition. It is the assumption of attributes. Nobody even knows that God exists, let alone what he is like. Why would an all-knowing God deliberately create and have to cull 99.9 out of 100 species that had no connection with his only purpose? You have no idea. Why should a God who is interested in his creations only be interested in what he already knows?

Your fallacy again. God does not create to find interests. That is humanizing Him. God does not need interests!

DAVID: He creates what He expects to create.

dhw: If he exists, and if he wanted to create the vast variety of past and present life forms we know of, then he would have expected his work to produce the vast variety of life forms we know of. This may have been done deliberately, through ongoing experimentation, or by giving cells the autonomy to produce their own variety.[...]

DAVID: Logic: God creates reality.

dhw: Agreed (if he exists).

DAVID: God evolved us over time as His choice of creation.

dhw: By “evolved” you mean specially designed. What do you mean by “choice of creation”? Are you telling us that the 99.9 irrelevant species which he designed were NOT his “choice of creation”?

Everything in the history of evolution is God's creation.

DAVID: 99.9% loss is simply a mathematical analysis of His process. It gave us the surviving 0.1% of everything living on Earth.

dhw: According to you, 99.9% is the number of species he designed which had no relevance to his one and only goal,. The 99.9%, according to you, gave us nothing. Only the 0.1% gave us the survivors currently living on Earth. Stop dodging!

dhw: Only the 0.1% led to current life forms.

DAVID: We agree.

dhw: So why have you contradicted yourself by telling us the 99.9% gave us the surviving 0.1%?

The 99.9% of evolution produced the 0.1% extant.

DAVID: There is no evidence cell committees can do more than tiny adaptations.

dhw: There is no evidence that some unknown, eternal, sourceless mind preprogrammed or dabbled every species, innovation, lifestyle, strategy, natural wonder in the whole of life’s history. That is why we can only theorise.

DAVID: A difference. You theorize, I believe.

dhw: You theorize and believe your theory and close your mind to its illogicality and to any other theory. That is the difference.

Note Godel tells us God must be considered as perfect in every aspect.