Return to David's theory of evolution (Evolution)

by David Turell , Monday, October 24, 2022, 16:38 (549 days ago) @ dhw

DAVID: Remember? All explained as ecosystems required for a given period/stage of evolution.

dhw: This is what I keep telling you, though in more precise terms: the dead-end systems (as opposed to those that led to us and our food) were required/necessary for past organisms, and by definition neither the organisms nor their ecosystems had any connection with current organisms and ecosystems. Therefore it makes no sense to claim that they were all “absolute requirements” for us and our current ecosystems. This is the bit you keep leaving out.

If God chose to evolve us, then everything He did during the evolution of us was necessary in His eyes. Your logic is not God's logic.

DAVID: Yes, current ecosystems evolved from the past but not from dead ends which are no longer necessary since their usefulness is over as evolution moves on to new stages. Your straw man of dead ends is an irrational manufactured complaint distorting the very meaning of evolution.

dhw: You’ve almost grasped the message, except that you will go on using words like “necessary” and “useful”, while leaving out what they were necessary and useful for. So let me repeat yet again: your theory is that ALL past organisms and ecosystems were necessary for the design of sapiens and our food. The dead-end ecosystems, however, were necessary for the dead-end organisms, but NOT for us and our food. The meaning of evolution is: “the process by which living organisms have developed from earlier ancestral forms” (Penguin Dictionary of Science). It most emphatically is NOT the process by which all past forms and ecosystems were specially designed by God as “absolute requirements” in preparation for Homo sapiens and his food.

To repeat: If God chose to evolve us, then everything He did during the evolution of us was necessary in His eyes. Your logic is not God's logic.

DAVID: I've fully answered your illogical complaint. A designer God can create gaps is evolutionary progressions.

dhw: I agree. A designer God can do whatever he likes. That is why it makes no sense to tell us that from the very beginning, 3.8 thousand million years ago, all he wanted to design was us and our food, and yet he designed countless organisms and ecosystems that had no connection with us and our food, and he didn’t even begin to design us until 500+ million years ago, when he designed our ancestors who had no predecessors!

You start with "A designer God can do whatever he likes." And then go on to complain about what He did. Still no logic on your part about a designer God.