Return to David's theory of evolution PARTS 1 & 2 (Evolution)

by David Turell , Saturday, March 26, 2022, 16:22 (971 days ago) @ dhw

DAVID: I have explained 'countless life forms and foods'. Ecosystems are piled upon ecosystems and relate to each other. It all comes down to life requires constant energy intake. You admit this and then constantly ignore it with your constant illogical complaint.

dhw: There is no dispute over the obvious fact that all life forms require energy. You know perfectly well that the dispute is over the theory bolded above which makes no sense even to you: “God makes sense only to Himself. We may not understand His reasons.”

That quote of mine is on point: I accept what God has done without questioning His reasons. But the endpoint of humans is unquestionable. Therefore He wanted humans and directed events for that purpose. Obvious logic based on my premise.

DAVID: Accepting the history of reality as God's work explains it all. Why are we here? How do you explain it?

dhw: As an agnostic, I accept the possibility that there is a God who is responsible for the history of reality. It is your inexplicable version of the history of reality that I question, as above. As for the very different question of why are we here, you have suggested it’s because God wants us to admire his work and have a relationship with him, and you have volunteered the fact that you think God enjoys creating and is interested in his creations. All perfectly feasible and very human, but offering no logical explanation for the theory bolded above.

Logic above! My guesses about God. which you love to quote. have no basis in fact! They are not related to my conclusion about God desiring humans

DAVID: An article on God's warring animals:

DAVID: Symbiosis involves an intimate bonded relationship. How could that possibly work for all of life?

dhw: It is an example of peaceful cooperation. Why shouldn’t it work for all of life?

Each symbiotic relationship is a specialized two-species mechanism. Humans should eat symbiotically is what you suggest? Explain.

DAVID: […] I frankly think it was the only choice available. Why do I have to explain to you every aspect of God's reasoning behind God's works? We take off into wooly guesses.

dhw: You insist on imposing limits on your all-powerful God’s abilities. You have him deliberately designing a system of “dog eat dog” (see below), including every ingenious method of killing (e.g. your boa-constrictor – thank you for this example of your kind God’s ingenuity). I do not ask you to explain every aspect of God’s reasoning behind his works. I ask you to explain YOUR reasoning behind YOUR INTERPRETATION of God’s works, and you can’t.

Again, fully answered above. I have no limits on God's abilities, but cannot answer your wild wishes for my God that you invent for Him as a straw man tactic.

DAVID: God's 'war' began at the beginning of life:
https://phys.org/news/2022-03-bacteria-self-vaccinate-viral-invaders.html

DAVID: I assume viruses and bacteria were both at the start of life, and God designed bacteria with the described defenses. The issue of dog eat dog is the only way our form of life can survive. I believe God gave us the best system He could devise and most likely the only workable system. God would know that. dhw's god probably would not.

dhw: I am not disputing that the war began at the start of life. I don’t know why dog eat dog should be the only workable system your all-powerful God could devise. My view of an all-powerful God is that if he had wanted to create a Garden of Eden, he could have done, and as I agree completely with your view that he enjoys creating and is interested in what he creates, I suggest that he wanted something a bit more interesting than a Garden of Eden, and this would have been provided by giving his creations (intelligent cells) the ability to do their own designing – with humans the most interesting of all the results.

Your humanized God appears once again. Yes, we agree in guesses about God's possible emotional reactions. And now cell committees thought to produce humans. How intelligent of them!