Return to David's theory of evolution PART 2 (Evolution)

by David Turell , Saturday, June 18, 2022, 16:03 (676 days ago) @ dhw

DAVID: The new biochemistry must be available to allow new forms. I have God engineering and you have ???

dhw: Possibly intelligent cells, possibly designed by your God. Please clarify what you mean by “new biochemistry”. Do you mean new materials, or do you mean new ways of using existing materials? And do you or do you not believe in common descent?

Are you confused? Life is biochemistry and we have discussed the neuropeoptides appearing in advance of brains as an example. First biochemistry, then new forms as below:

dhw: […] we've been told that fundamental elements of the brain and nervous system existed much earlier than the Cambrian. This suggests the continuity of evolution (which you favour for the sake of a continuous line between bacteria and humans), as opposed to separate creation without precursors (which you favour as evidence for your God’s existence).

DAVID: […] the underlying biochemistry must precede all form advances. And early new forms will prepare for later new forms. Evolution!!!

dhw: This does not explain your self-contradiction, but it suggests that the materials are already present, and new forms result from new uses (or processes). I suggest that the early forms are not “preparations” (no crystal ball involved), but through “biological processes”, organisms (cell communities) adapt or innovate IN RESPONSE to changing conditions.

I know your approach. Brilliant cell committees do it all on their own, b ut God might have helped them. Another waffle theory.

How did sex pop up?

DAVID: Thank you for clearly supporting my biochemcial theory of evolution. With that basis, new forms can appear. Chromatin came as new biochemistry.

dhw: Chromatin is “as old as eukaryotes themselves”. The point is that we have several examples of fundamental elements being present long before the fully developed organs appear. See the bold above.

Exactly my point: necessary biochemicals appear before new forms.

Human membrane pore

dhw: If one part doesn’t work, the mechanism won’t work. Fits in perfectly with the concept of intelligent cells cooperating to create a mechanism that works. However, see above for mechanisms that do work but can be improved.

DAVID: So simple cell committees understand design for future use?

dhw: Why do you keep repeating this nonsense and making me repeat: CELLS DO NOT UNDERSTAND DESIGN FOR FUTURE USE! They respond to present requirements or opportunities. Once the response works, then of course it will be used in the future. The immune system provides a perfect example of the process!

DAVID: I repeat because you will not recognize the gaps in the fossil record. You always wish for missing fossils to fill your multiple generations theory.

dhw: You’ve forgotten the point: CELLS DO NOT UNDERSTAND DESIGN FOR FUTURE USE. They respond to the present. Nothing to do with gaps in the fossil record!

Of course cells can't design for the future, but new species appear fully formed to handle living.

Ediacaran-Cambrian transition: 410,000 years

dhw: […] there are logical reasons why there may be no more fossils! But for some obscure reason, you think that a list of reasons published in 2019 is out of date!

DAVID: The list of reasons is not FACT, not proof, but reasonable guesses as to why they are absent. They can be all wrong also.

dhw: Agreed. The existence of God, and your theories of evolution are not FACTS, and the latter are so illogical that they are not even “reasonable” guesses. (They “make sense only to God.”) They can be wrong. Now please tell me why you regard the 2019 list of possible reasons for the absence of fossils as unreasonable.

EGNOR's opinion as an archeologist discussed in the other thread.