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by David Turell , Tuesday, November 01, 2022, 16:39 (751 days ago) @ dhw

DAVID: Total misinterpretation: Your misinterpretation comes from your diminished view of the human brain. Our brain is Adler's proof of God who designed all.

dhw: There is no “diminished view” of our brain! Do you or do you not believe that the complexities of ALL life forms are such that they provide evidence for God the designer? In any case, yet again you have switched the subject from why your God designed all the dead ends, if all he wanted was us and our food, to our brilliant brains proving God’s existence. Please stop dodging! (See your response after the parentheses,)>

(((An enzyme controls growth and Dumping cell waste and Protein folding
The following comment is applicable to all three posts:

DAVID Same old point: this must be a designed mechanism because of the complexity of the enzyme molecule and the feed-back controls.

dhw: I mention this only because you keep harping on about the unique design of the human brain as evidence for God’s existence, but at the same time you use even the tiniest complexities of life as evidence for the existence of God the designer. The argument for design has no relevance to the theory that every dead-end organ and organism that ever existed was an “absolute requirement” for us, our unique brain and our food supply.)))

The dead ends we have discussed are ecosystems that supplied necessary food at the time of their existence not what I have bolded above. Evolution could not have continued without them. All evolutionary processes have dead ends. God produced His designed evolution to contain what He wished.

DAVID: My dodge is my interpretation of the history of evolution as created by God. We are here and from the round-about method you criticize. God wanted us here as the endpoint of evolution.

dhw: Even if he did want us as the “endpoint”, you insist that all the dead ends he designed were “necessary” for us and our food although they had no connection with us or our food. That makes no sense. If all he wanted was us and our food, then all that was “necessary” was the lines of life that would lead to us and our food. But according to you, those lines only began in the Cambrian, and even then they did not all lead to us or our food!

DAVID: There are two early vertebrate forms in the Cambrian that lead to us and many of the animals that feed us, along with other animal forms that now fed us. Ones that do not feed us directly support ecosystems that do supply our food.

dhw: Thank you for partially confirming my point that your God began the process of designing us and our ecosystems from scratch in the Cambrian, which clearly means that all the life forms and ecosystems he designed during the 3+ billion years that preceded the Cambrian were unnecessary if his one and only aim was to create us and our ecosystems. But even then, I would still like to know why the brontosaurus and its ecosystem had to be specially designed as an “absolute requirement” in preparation for us and our ecosystems.

You have forgotten my point: all the Cambrian-preceding design went into developing advanced biochemical systems and evolving the Earth, such as land continents and more oxygen.

DAVID: You cannot deny that prior biochemical systems development and a changing/evolving Earth environment (i.e., more oxygen) set the stage for the Cambrian.

dhw: Of course I’m not denying it! I see the history of life as a continuous sequence of changing environments that triggered the innovations and the constant comings and goings of countless life forms and ecosystems, the vast majority of which did not lead to us and our ecosystems. If God exists, I see this constantly changing history as the result of what he wanted, and I assume that he would not have been forced to do anything he didn’t want to do. You can’t understand why, if we plus our food were his only purpose right from the start, he "had to" or "chose to" - your verbs vary from post to post - “evolve” [= design] us by “evolving” [= designing] all the life forms and ecosystems that did not lead to us, or why he had to/chose to “evolve” [= design] us in stages. You reject the three logical, theistic alternative explanations of history that I have proposed, and prefer to cling to your own non-explanation (these theories “make sense only to God”.) So be it. I think we have reached a “dead end”.

DAVID: We can end by agreeing with this piece of your statement: "If God exists, I see this constantly changing history as the result of what he wanted, and I assume that he would not have been forced to do anything he didn’t want to do." Our further views differ widely. So be it.

dhw: It remains to be seen whether you can refrain from repeating your illogical theories! (Certain items under “More miscellany” suggest that you can’t or won’t!)

I'm here to represent God with God theories you don't accept.