David's theory of evolution: God's error corrections II (Evolution)

by dhw, Thursday, November 19, 2020, 10:57 (1463 days ago) @ David Turell

DAVID: If God created evolution, and we are here at its end, His goal was humans.

dhw: If, for argument’s sake, we accept the premise that your God’s goal was humans, you are left with the insoluble problem within your theory which you dodge and dodge and dodge again: if his goal was to directly design humans and their food supply, why did he directly design millions of extinct life forms and food supplies, 99% of which had no connection with humans? THAT is what doesn’t make sense, and that is what you dodge and dodge and dodge again.

DAVID: The bold is the problem in your interpretation of my theory. God never planned a direct design. He chose to evolve over time. History shows that.

You are now deliberately cutting out one of the basic premises that make your theory so illogical. When you talk of “evolution” you mean direct design, because according to you, your God directly designed every innovation, life form, econiche, strategy and natural wonder, as well as every phase in the evolution of humans: you even have him stepping in and fiddling with brains and skulls and pelvises, and if I remember rightly, legs as well (not to mention operating on pre-whale legs to turn them into fins before the creatures even entered the water). It’s all direct design, and the only sop to evolution is that you agree that all these programme changes or direct dabbles were carried out on existing organisms (hence common descent). And so I continue to ask: if God’s plan was to produce H. sapiens (plus food supply) by directly designing stage after stage of pre-humans through to us, why did he first directly design millions of extinct non-human life forms and food supplies that had no connection with us?

DAVID: Humans were an endpoint goal stated over and over.

How does that come to mean that all the unconnected forms of life (plus food supplies) were “part of the goal of evolving [= directly designing] humans”?

DAVID: (under “Human evolution”): Sapiens co-exited with both Denisovans and Neanderthals, while some of these others were still around. Back to my same old question: apes and monkeys were living happily until we began our huge population growth. Darwin proposes stepwise change to aid survival. That is not the hominin historical evidence in the fossil record to date. Each new find seems to refute Darwin, and I'll bet that trend will continue. I view our history as bursting forward for no good demonstrable reason. I would suggest an agency is driving the process, an agency we call God.

The historical evidence to date shows a variety of hominins and homos. This would suggest to me that our ancestors evolved their different traits as they responded to different conditions. Co-existence is no problem, since H. sapiens is not the first species to migrate. The “good demonstrable reason” would have been the quest for better living conditions (just as we see today). But all of this creates a major problem for your theory of evolution. Since your God either preprogrammed or dabbled every single life form and every single stage of evolution, why did he preprogramme/dabble all these different homos if he only wanted one? I know you say we inherited certain benefits from the others, but it does seem a very roundabout way of directly designing the only homo he wanted. No, I am not criticizing him. I am pointing out the sheer illogicality of your interpretation of your God’s purpose and method, as bolded at the start of this post.